does boxing evolve?

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  1. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Duran started his career in the 60`s but was far more evolved than any boxer that had gone before him except maybe Robinson, they were both years ahead of their time, Duran was the most skilled fighter of the 70`s too.
     
  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    did you have trouble understanding my post? provide an example, or just admit youre just making up crap.
     
  3. Mark Anthony

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    McCallum v Toney was a more evolved fight than any fight during the 60`s or before aside from Ray Robinson`s fights.
     
  4. ruffryders

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    The fundamentals haven’t changed, nor have fighters got taller.

    the fundamentals will never change, just how well they are implemented. I do feel today we are lacking well schooled fighters as most are more into marketing and social media strategy.

    fighters were tall back in the day, just not good enough compared to the shorter guys.
     
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  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    do you have any idea what boxing fundamentals are? any idea at all? if you do, give an example of how they evolved.
    since you seem to be confused, i will ask it using your example. what boxing fundamentals were mccallum and toney using that are different from those in ali's prime?
     
  6. bandeedo

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    the 3 tallest boxers to compete professionally fought before the 90s.
     
  7. ruffryders

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    The modern giants are getting places due to the lack of good schooled competition in general. Usyk has proved that.
     
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  8. Mark Anthony

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    In the 150 years since the mid-nineteenth century, the average human height in industrialised countries has increased by up to 10 cm (3.9 in).


    Human height - Wikipedia
     
  9. Mark Anthony

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    No way could a fighter the 60`s or before have dealt with Fury`s height, reach and speed, even the fighters that were 6`3 or above, most of them didn`t have Usyk`s speed, Usyk trains harder than any fighters from the 60`s or before.
     
  10. Mark Anthony

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    People are getting taller, the average height of the top ten heavyweights now are taller than average height of a top ten fighter inany era from the 60`s or before.
     
  11. Mark Anthony

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    Toney and McCllum didn`t anything like Ali, Toney used the shoulder roll and stayed in close to his opponent slipping and countering, while Ali circled away from his opponents power hand and threw 1-2`s, McCallum was a master body puncher and I feel he was more skilled than Ali.
     
  12. bandeedo

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    ffs. youve been here years posting daily, and you still dont even know what boxing fundamentals are. not that it's surprising, theres guys here that have been posting as long as i have and they still dksab. it just puzzles me still how you can even avoid learning, even if that was the main goal, to not learn anything.
     
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  13. TomThumbIsNumb

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    Usyk would not have beaten any of the elite HW's from the 60's.

    I'd argue that Usyk this Ali.

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    The 1967 Cleveland Williams - Usyk would not have even been competitive.

    And Ali could fight like that, at pretty much that pace for 15 rounds.

    And that's one of the KEYS to beaten Uysk. Fighters who can match Usyk's stamina and workrate and not fade.

    60's Ali would have played with Usyk.

    And if you think I'm wrong ? Then I'm writing fairy tales for my 3 year old. I'm gonna include your post in it lol

    Once Ali showed he's Usyk's equal in technical ability but has better stamina, faster hands, better foot speed and more power and the fact that Usyk can't break an egg with a hammer then after a few rounds the fight would be very one sided where Ali would bust Usyk up on the outside.

    But doesn't that disprove your argument ? The fact that modern HW's have to be so much bigger to have a chance of beating past HW's.
     
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  14. ruffryders

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    Usyk looks fit against big lumps of fighters, but he still blows quite heavy.

    Coukdvusyk keep up with the old boys is the question
     
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  15. ruffryders

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    Fury is 6’7
    Ali battered Ernie terrel who was about 6’6.

    I’ve said for years the way to beat fury is jabs and straights to the body, tire the big lump out.
    Fury looks good against low volume power punchers. He looks out of place against guys who push his pace.