Does Brock has a chance against Dos Santos?

Cain has better TD defence than JDS obviously, but it is not "100x" better, that's stupid. JDS has shown excellent TD defence against the opposition he has faced so as far as we know he is solid in that regard (he hasn't been tested against a huge wrestler yet, but he has shown no weakness thus far), and on that basis plus the fact he works with the Nogueiras on a regular basis, I am not too worried over Brock's ability to takedown and use top control in this fight. If JDS gets taken down, I don't believe Lesnar has the top game to finish the fight before he gasses and lets JDS back up.

On the other hand, we know JDS is a better boxer than Cain and we know Cain pulverized Brock with his boxing. Here's a prediction: JDS hits and seriously hurts Brock before Brock gets a takedown. And here's another: Brock does not recover from that, and gets KTFO within a round.

 

I think it comes down to the fact that Jds can nutralize much of lesnars strenghts, but I dont belive it goes the other way.

We have seen how lesnar reacts to getting hit, and we have seen Jds avoid takedowns - bad style matchup IMO

 

Dos Santos is so ****ing overrated.

He would get destroyed by Lesnar, Cain or Carwin.

 

They're at the opposite ends of the spectrum. One is a dominant wrestler, one is a guy with no grappling credentials at all who has never even fought a wrestler. Thats as night and day as it gets.

The top teams all have better jiu jitsu guys than the Nogs teaching them. Brock himself has trained a lot with Erik Paulsen. It doesn't matter anyway, you can't learn a skill like jiu jitsu via osmosis. The reality is JDS is a novice grappler with no wrestling background. Frank Mir has a far far far better ground game than SAntos ever will. Brock finsihed him, remember. He beat up the savvy Herring for 15 minutes. Heath has a ton of experience and a proven track record against big wrestlers. He has a better ground game than Santos. What happened there?

Youre not getting what styles match up in MMA. A pure striker vs a pure wrestler in MMA is a nightmare for the striker. They will lose 99.9% of the time. That, at a high level, is more or less what you have here, an old style vs style match up. But the advantage is the other way round from you think it is. Santos might beat Brock (I think its very unlikely), and if he does it will be an amazing win and the best of his career. Its nothing like a style nightmare for Brock. If he loses its because of the individual merits of each fighter, not because 'boxing' is something a 270lb wrestler who can shoot from 8 feet away should be worrying about.

 

The reality is promoters are DESPERATE for pure strikers who can actually win. Santos is about the best chance in the heavyweight division now. having said that the UFC have really made him work for a title shot, haven't they?

 

I'm amazed at how unappreciated Velasquez's striking is.

Didn't anyone see him destroy Nog with strikes.

 

He's good but hes a wrestler/slugger. Promoters want Anderson Silvas, Cro Cops etc

 

How is the boring and bland Dos Santos like a Cro Cop in his prime?

 

wow, either JDS slept this guys girl or he must be eating some serious shrooms to say JDS is "bland and boring" when 90% if his fights have ended via brutal knockout. dont care that you say he's overrated because haters are gonna hate, but to say hes boring??? gtfo clown.

 

I don't think I have ever heard Dos Santos described in such a way.

 

No that glass jaw gets shattered in even more brutal fashion this time.

 

It is possible for a non-wrestler to have takedown defence you know. Not every style is completely black and white, ie a wrestler can't box, a boxer can't defend takedowns. JDS has so far demonstrated that he knows how to defend takedowns, and he is physically robust, so I can't see Brock having an easy time taking the fight where he wants. As I said, we will see.

Brock is not exactly a sponge for knowledge though. The guy had awful stand-up when he started out, and he still does. You can have the greatest trainers in the world, but if you're not attuned to learning then you won't learn. I think JDS is stronger mentally than Mir and more determined than an old Herring, I can't see him allowing himself to get mauled on the ground, he is young, tough and energetic, Brock will gas if he tries to control him. You are placing too much importance on style issues I think. If MMA was as simple as "wrestler beats boxer" then we could all get very rich very quickly betting on every fight.

Yes, but this isn't 1993. JDS is not a "pure striker", he has shown the ability to defend takedowns in his fights. Most top fighters in 2011 are too well-rounded to be forced into any one box. JDS is by nature a striker, same as Josh Koschceck is by nature a wrestler, but that doesn't mean that JDS has no clue how to defend takedowns against a wrestler, same as it doesn't mean that Koscheck has no clue how to stand up with a striker.

'Boxing' is certainly something that a glass-jawed fighter with no stand-up who was brutally stopped in 1 round in his last fight should be very, very worried about, especially when that boxer is someone with the power and technique of JDS.

We shall see. :smoke

 

I think the real problem here is that fans overate lesnars wrestling ability, which like most of brocks skills never lived up to expectation.

lesnar has been exposed for not being a very good fighter at all but too many people would rather hope against hope that their man will reach the summit of mma- he never has and he never will, deal with it.

IMO lesnar ranks below guys like Kerr and Coleman in all time MMA heavyweight rankings(contrary to whites annoucement that lesnar was close to achieving the greatest heavyweight of all time status- what a joke!) he got the title through hype and good marketing beating Herring who doesnt even deserve to be called a gatekeeper then won the title from an old man who hasnt fought in a year, but defended his title because he was backed into a corner and financially he had no other choice, was lied to and told if he did come back he would get to face a true champion(who he really wanted to test himself against) in fedor.

Lesnar then defended his title to hype jobs and a unproven contender until he was thoroughly embarrassed by way of complete beatdown by the hands of velasquez instead of eating burritos in celebration he ate knuckle sandwiches until he he couldnt stomach them any longer.

For all you lesnar fans, you should be boycotting this fight, send a petition to zuffa, to keep your boy brock from being killed by JDS.

If he were to lose his life, my only wish is that I will be permitted to speak at his funeral so I can inform the mourners that his death was not truly caused by Santos, but ultimately by his blind fans that believed in him far too much.

 

Someone remind me what Brock is good at again? I've seen him subbed, dominated on his feet twice and now out-wrestled by a much smaller guy and he has not got a fighters heart/chin and the top level.

 

I think Lesnar will take a nap this time.