Does Brock has a chance against Dos Santos?

This is not an easy fight to pick a winner going in, no matter how conclusive this thread is making it seem.

We've all seen that Lesnar is not comfortable getting hit. That is no secret. We've also seen that Brock is going to have to sustain a serious ass whipping before the fight is getting stopped. Dos Santos is a sharp puncher, so he may be able to knock Brock cold with only a couple of shots. Dos Santos does not appear to hit as hard as Carwin nor Cain, so that is definitely no gimmie here. I haven't seen much of Dos Santos on the ground. Can he keep Lesnar down for a sustained period in the way Cain and Carwin did.

Let us also remember that Lesnar got up to defeat Carwin.

I haven't really seen Dos Santos repeatedly stuff anyone's take downs outside of Roy Nelson. It will be interesting to see what happens if Lesnar grabs a leg for a single, or is pressing him against the cage for a double. I haven't seen Dos Santos fight off his back. Is there some reason to think he stands more of chance there than Mir or Couture? Lesnar needs very little space to do massive damage with those huge fists.

Picking Dos Santos to win is not stupid. Thinking Lesnar has no chance here is.

 

I respectfully disagree sir, lesnar has no chance of victory here.

It is a shame it will be so long before we get to see the fight.

 

I disagree.

Cain pounded Cheick Kongo's skull for 15 minutes, landed an insane amount of clean shots, and couldn't stop him.

Then he knocks out the ghost of Big Nog (punch resistance is totally gone, as already proven by Frank Mir) and Brock (never had any punch resistance to start with), and all of a sudden he is MMA's equivalent of George Foreman?

JDS is the only person to have knocked out Fabricio Werdum. That is higher proof of punching power than anything Cain has done in his career.

 

I never said that Velasquez was the mma equivalent of George Foreman.

Cheick Kongo is a big, tough, fighter. Kongo has only been tko'd once in his career, and that was by Yvel 6 and 1/2 years ago.

Nog's punch resistance is not totally gone. Nog's chin is so overrated. Nog's resilience and will to win is what was so amazing. Nog was visibly hurt on numerous occasions, and came back to win. Nog never looked like Chuvalo, eating massive shots with little reaction. Nog was fat, and backed up in a straight line against Mir. Nog's resilience was still in tact for Herring and Sylvia. I'm supposed to think that watching men that weigh over 240 lbs. bounce clean punches off his chin to get the stoppage are definitive signs that he is shot to pieces?

Dos Santos knock out over Werdum is a good win. Werdum also ducked into Dos Santos' uppercut, and chin butted his fist. Roy Nelson ate numerous big shots from Dos Santos. What happened to Nelson when Arlovski landed a couple of clean shots?

 

Yes, you are supposed to realize that Nog is shot now that he gets knocked senseless by shots that would not have come close to knocking him senseless in his prime. The very idea that Mir could obliterate a prime Nog is laughable. That fight shows the difference in him from his Pride days. Carrying an extra 10lbs or whatever does not turn your chin from iron to china, and cutting that weight back off doesn't turn it back to iron again. The guy is done.

And yes, the fact that 240lbs men bounce shots off his chin to get the stoppage is a sign that he is shot, because taking shots off 240lbs men is his job, he is an MMA heavyweight, so if he now crumbles whenever that happens then he's not going to be very successful anymore, hence he is shot.

Arlovski is a better boxer and has heavier hands than Velasquez and Dos Santos. He just doesn't have the resilience or all-round ability that they seem to.

Give JDS that many clean shots on Kongo, and Kongo would've been taken out of the octagon in a bodybag. :deal

 

Those shots would have come close to knocking him senseless in his prime. Nog was knocked senseless on numerous occasions in Pride. He found a win to win anyway.

It is his job to face 240 lb men, not let them bounce clean punches off his face. That is most certainly the job of the loser of an mma bout. Nogueira is not crumbling every time this happens. He crumbled once as a fat man facing a very big man, and once to a guy that has won all but 1 of his fights by knock out. I'll agree that his resistance has severely died down when someone like Couture can beat him senseless. How many times was Couture close to stopping him?

What proof do you have of this being the case? Kongo's record? He has only been ko'd once, and that was early in his career to a good striker.

 

randy couture was close to stopping nog?:huh:think:nono

 

That's the point, genius. He wasn't, and he landed numerous punches. Nog has been hurt by big hitters landing flush shots.

 

yeah ok... couture is not a big puncher in the least, and he didnt land a lot of flush shots on nog anyway.

mir and cain are bigger punchers than couture.

mir and cain landed a series of solid blows on nog.

tim sylvia, cro-cop, fedor all landed far more devastating strikes and far more often then either cain or mir.

nog used to have a world class chin. I dont get what your tring to say here that nog was hurt by better strikers than couture while in his prime?

who would argue with that?

but he was stopped by far less powerful strikers recently, that shows decline.

why even make an argument so absurd?

 

Yeah, so absurd, it would be like saying that Mir's strikes would have more of an impact on Kongo than Cro Cop's. Especially if we're talking about a Cro Cop that was less than a year removed from defeating Barnett and Wanderlei, each in the 1st round, on the same night. Oh wait, Kongo beat that virsion of Cro Cop. Mir dropped Kongo with one punch, and choked him unconscious.

Cain is far less powerful than Tim Sylvia? I'm not going to make the argument that Cain hit's much harder than Sylvia, but his power is on par and Cain is faster. I think Cain is a more dangerous striker, because of his speed, than Sylvia.

This never happened.

 

I meant nog obviously.


yes, tim hits a lot harder than cain velasquez.

you still think cro-cop was at his best when he fought kongo?

Besides kongo landed so many knees to the nuts in that fight...

rekcutnevets, you have a strange point of veiw Mr.

 

No, I don't, but I have to keep things in perspective. It was too close to when Cro Cop had performed so well to say that fight was irrelevant.

 

brutal ko's can change a fighters mentality.

also add the fact that cro cop took several knees to the groin, cro -cops age and how stylistically Kongo would be a tough match for him anyway and you got the reason why he was unsuccessful in that venture.

 

I think the question is, can JDS avoid Brocks takedowns. If Brock rushes in like he did against Cain and JDS gets taken down right away, his standup doesn't really matter. The key to Cains win was that Lesnar couldn't keep him down but JDS hasn't fought anybody that has the wrestling ability that Lesnar has, so I'm not convinced that this fight will be decided in the standup.

 

Well he wasn't knocked "senseless" if he won the fights, was he? You can't win a fight if you are senseless, like he was against Mir and Cain. Nog was often hurt in big fights and came back to win, but he was never so badly affected in Pride that he no longer had the awareness to defend himself. He was against both Mir and Cain. A prime Nog would have been hurt by those shots, but not knocked senseless like he was. Age and accumulation of damage have severely eroded his punch resistance, that's as clear as day.

You are contradicting yourself silly here. You have only just finished saying Nog was punched senseless in Pride, now you're saying you would be the loser if this happened to you in MMA bout... but Nog never lost a Pride match by stoppage. Which is it? Was he hit with a lot of flush punches in Pride, or wasn't he? :nut

He crumbled against Mir. He crumbled against Cain. The only one of his last three he didn't crumble against was a 45 year old Randy Couture that he probably outweighed by around 20lbs, and who is now a lightheavyweight.

You're being silly now. "A fat man"? The Nogueira of the Mir fight it is we are talking about here, not Roy Nelson ffs. He was a little overweight sure, but was he even 10lbs heavier than he usually is?? It wasn't as if he was 220lbs one fight and 260lbs the next. Anyway, as already discussed, your chin doesn't turn from iron to china by putting on 10lbs, and it certainly doesn't go from china to iron by losing the 10lbs again. Silly.

His opponents had been a procession of tomato cans, until he failed to stop Kongo despite landing what was at the time I believe a record high for punches landed. Nog was shot and Brock has no chin, the only stoppage he has ever had of a decent opponent was Ben Rothwell, and even then that's nothing to shout about.

Erm, none??? :huh

I think you must have seen a different Nog vs Couture fight from me.

But the fact that you, for some reason, believe that Couture was close to stopping Nog, makes this all the more bizarre - how the hell do you think he's not shot if a guy who went to war with prime Fedor and Crocop and couldn't be stopped was close (apparently) to being stopped by a 45 year old who had managed to stop only one guy (Gonzaga) since his 1st win over Chuck Liddell in 2003. :nut



You really need to invest in a dictionary and find out what the word "senseless" means. If someone is beaten "senseless", they are not still vertical, defending themselves, and punching back. :nono

Proof?? :huh How can anyone have proof of something which hasn't happened? Weird question. Obviously I don't have proof that JDS would KO Kongo, same as no-one can ever possess proof for any hypothetical prediction. From watching his fights, observing his punching technique and power and his finishing prowess, I believe JDS would get the stoppage over any heavyweight in the UFC if he was allowed to rain down flush blows on their skulls for 15 minutes. I believe that completely.

JDS will knock Brock out. Let's wait and see.