Does Canelo still struggle with movers?

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You put a faster, slicker fighter against a fighter thats a little bit quicker and faster then you are and all of a sudden, whe have a fighter thats used to being the quicker, faster fighter struggling more than the usual.

The fight before Pernell Whitaker fought Oscar Delahoya, Whitaker lost nearly every round to the fast, slick Diobylis Hurtado.

Floyd Mayweather himself lost the first 5 rounds and looked ordinary against Zab Judah how was a little bit quicker and faster on the trigger than he was that night.

Should we just say that most every fighter is going to stuggle somewhat and work throught it against quicker faster fighters, or should we just say Whitaker and Mayweather are fighters that struggle with movers????

I just never have gotten this notion that a particular fighter struggles with movers.
The fact is that when a fighter is presented with a mover, that fighter has to go through a process to break down the fighter thats moving on him.
Canelo vs Plant went through that process, he plodded foward, applied pressure, cut off the ring, went to the body, and sytematically Plant started slowing down to the point that in the later rounds he was having a hell of a time getting Canelo off of him.
The fact that Canelo was able to stay patient and go through that process is testament to his confidence and skills that he knew what the end result would be if he followed that process.

 

I don't think Chavez really struggled with movers per say but he could be outworked by quicker fighters who kept Chavez occupied on defense.

Chavez had a very squared up and forward boxing posture. He could cut the ring off well plus he had a great two-fisted attack but he had to have great head movement and an active guard because his stance alone put his head on the center line.

 

I love the guy, but I still can't see a legitimate reason for him to quit in the De La Hoya rematch the way he did, even taking his advanced age into account. He was still in that fight, having his say in the exchanges; Oscar had a handy lead, but Chávez was giving him plenty to think about, busting him up in return for the abuse he was shipping. Then, after chasing Oscar at the bell to end the 8th, all that will, tenacity and ferocity suddenly evaporated as soon as he sat on the stool. His corner were trying to convince him to get back out there for the 9th, but he chose the easy way out. Definitely came across like the move of a bully who'd been stood up to.

A professional fighter has his human right to decide when enough is enough, of course, but you expect more from a guy like Chávez in a competitive situation like that. It wasn't like Oscar staying on the stool a decade later, after being hopelessly blitzkrieged for eight rounds. And Oscar at least acknowledged his surrender, whereas Chávez angrily objected to Merchant pointing out the obvious, which suggests that he recognized some kind of shame in his actions.


I guess I always gave Érik a pass for staying on the seat of his trunks in the Pacquiao rubber match on account of the rigors he'd put himself through to make 130 yet again. After hitting the wall in the second half of the return bout, he just seemed resigned when he was dropped in the early rounds of that final meeting. The caveat there is, he should've really put his foot down and insisted the fight be at 135 instead of taking the payday and deciding he couldn't win before three rounds had been completed.

 

Bivol is a slick, counter puncher and pressure fighter...all in one. Just have to see how Bivol handles pressure back.

 

Bivol moves well but that movement was not one of the main reasons he won. He won more due to his tight guard, patience, and most importantly his fast combos.

 

I didn’t see it that way. I saw him constantly in front of Scull. scull danced and bounced the entire time, yet Canelo is always right in front of him, despite looking like an old man shuffling around. I don’t know how he does it. I mean, I do, he’s clearly exceptionally good at reading exactly where an opponent is moving so all he needs to do is shuffle in that direction. But still.

 

I have heard this narrative in a few places now that Canelo actually DID cut off the ring against scull. People literally living in an alternate reality where chasing someone for 12 rounds, only throwing 150 punches and landing 50 = successfully cutting off the ring. . But when the same thing happens to any other fighter they get blamed for not cutting off the ring. Canelo fans are beyond delusional

 

Maybe a little but Scull wasn’t a mover he was a straight up runner.

 

From what little I saw of the fight, it's still an issue to some degree. Yes Scull was negative, but he would throw counters when Canelo opened up, so it was a case of one fighter unable to lead and only counter and the other fighter unable or unwilling to engage enough to force more exchanges. In the end it was a horrible match up in styles.

 

Jesus didn't realise he threw so little. 12-13 punches a round is abysmal.