Does Dariusz Michalczewski belong in the Hall of Fame?

If Ricardo Lopez can get in why not Dariusz. Ricardo Lopez's fought in a division with 10 fighters and 3 of them were champions before he unified. Lost to the best fighter he faced (Rosendo Alvarez) but got a gift draw. Then won a SD. He got in first ballot. Go figure. Had a lot of defenses but many were against "boxers" with 6-0, 4-0 type of records.

Not to mention boxers like Pipino Cuevas, Carlos Zarate, Bobby Chacon, Galaxy and many others.

Who did Eder Jofre ever beat to get in the IBHOF? His resume is pure garbage.

 

Michalczewski's best wins:


- Points win over Virgil Hill (a 33 year old Hill who got KO'd in 4 by Jones shortly after. Still, undeniably a very good win)

- Rocchigiani (a DQ at which point DM was down on 2 cards - and this was against a Rocchigiani who'd went 0-2-1 in his last 3 fights vs top 10 opposition)

- Montell Griffin (a decent win, but Griffin arguably hadn't beaten any top 10 opposition for 2 years, when he escaped with a DQ vs Jones, had been beaten by Eric Harding between that fight and this)

- Rocchigiani again (37 years old and unquestionably past his best by this point)


And I don't think any of his other wins really merit a mention.

For me, this resume is so far short of what HOF standard should be, that it doesn't even bear thinking about.


I'm not interested in "who he could've fought", I'm interested in the actual quality of the resume as it stands. We can only judge people on merit, on what they actually did, nothing else.


And I say the same for Tszyu, even though I love watching him fight and really rate his peak abilities.


JMHO :good

 

Virgil Hill came of his biggest win and the loss to Jones was a bit more than a year later with no fight inbetween ...

Rocchigiani´s result before facing DM should actually have been 1-1-1, he beat Maske the first time and got robbed. And the draw was at smw when his two fights before that have been at lhw. He had trouble making weight which affected his performance. So, the one´s counting are the Maske fights which is 1-1 against the at the time No. 1 or 2 lhw. Not too bad.

Sorry but you are too harsh here.

 

Stating facts is being too harsh? :huh Nothing I have said above is untrue, I have stated facts. Nothing more, nothing less. Hill did get KO'd in 4 in his next fight, and Rocchigiani was 0-2-1 in his last 3 fights vs top 10 comp before facing DM. These are facts, not opinions.

 

DM had help himself (Roch/Hall), I rate DM over Otke though

 

You sound exactly the same as the Mayweather fans over at the general. "42 tried 42 failed. How often did Robinson lose?" ... and all that crap. Facts without context don´t mean much.

 

HE also didn't face Reggie Johnson, Tarver, Tiozzo (until he lost to him past both their primes), McCallum, Del Valle (who's loss to Hill was controversial), Toney, Harding, Woods

 

And you sound exactly like the Calzaghe fans over at the General. "I like this fighter, so the facts don't matter, they only exist to be twisted to fit my agenda".

 

And how many of those were only passing through the division or came along when he was past his prime? Where they more deserving than the fighters he fought?

Those are rethorical questions, PP, I won´t discuss DM with you, your love for Jones Jr. is too big.

Ahm, yeah, right. Okay then, do you agree that Tszyu´s best win was Chavez? ´Cause that he beat him is a fact isn´t it? Or do you think the context that Chavez was pretty much done by then means something here? Come on, you know better than that.

 

Translation, I won't win this argument so I won't attempt too. This isn't Jones related anyway, it's DM related - most of those were obviously there in his prime, he didn't fight them. I'm not saying he ducked them but it's silly to pretend he fought a who's who of LHWs, he didn't come close

You don't have much objectivity when it comes to Rocchigiani either, he didn't get robbed against Eubank but anyway he was inactive for 2 years and 36yo coming into the DM rematch

 

That's the very logic that tells me Michalczewski didn't beat the best versions of Rocchigiani and Griffin, which I clearly alluded to in my first post. Even the best names on DM's record (other than Hill) were past their best - it's isn't an HOF resume, and not even close to it, IMHO.

 

Until a few get voted out , I say why should DM b discriminated against ? his record is on par with Norris , Norton and a few more , while they faced d better opposition , d quality of their wins is not higher .

 

Hence way too much help;-)

Roch' was robbed against Maske as well

 

Hearns will go in and deserves it.

The next most deserving fighter is this one:

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---I truly hope that the voters realize what should be obvious now.