Does Dubois team really believe the BS?

I think he will fight fury/Aj next
I am not going to troll. I have the upmost respect for usyk, but imo he is looking the retirement fund

Great champion
Great fighter
ATG for sure and gives any heavyweight in history trouble, maybe other than Mike
Did it on the road, etc

I do think goat talk is a bit much, but my honest assessment is he's an all time great and highly skilled fighter

Now all that aside. Once usyk beat Fury the second time, he achieved all his goals. I honestly believe right now he is just fighting for money and yes he obviously still loves the sport. Do I think he would face parker or Agit if the money was right? Of course. However, I fully expect him to wrap up his career with Aj/Fury

Perhaps Fury/Aj has been offered an automatic shot if they win and that's why Fury is all of a sudden eager??

 

I think you are 100% spot on with your assessment. I’m not eager to see him againt fury/aj though. If he was 1-1 against them then I can understand but other than money and Turkis wishes as you say, a trilogy with either means nothing win or lose. Think those two should do their own trilogy lol. Usyk should fight Parker next and retire

 

Usyk is definitely semi retired. He has a team around him and a family. He is a fighter for sure and will travel anywhere, but right now I think he's making as much as possible, as retirement is close

 

I really hope you're wrong (as I'm sure you do, too!) and it's not purely about the cash from here on...

Logically it would only make sense if that's all that matters - despite being very clearly 2-0 up against both of them those might well still be the biggest money fights.

Dubois at least makes sense for his legacy - he looks likely to be right up there in the next era and is already decently proven... And he's now prime, so there's no excuses.

If legacy is the overriding consideration then Parker makes the most sense to fight next - he's so much more proven than anyone else that Usyk hasn't fought yet that it's almost a no brainer..... Unless.... Unless you're right and money is the only thing that matters.


Let's hope!

 

I love usyk (fans that overrated him, not so much)

I do think he is as moral as any fighter in history. However, he isn't a messiah and I think he will bend to the highest deal, rather than legacy.

In his mind he has the legacy and beating dubouis will give him all the belts again. I would love him to fight parker or some other worther heavyweight, but we have to be realistic and understand boxing is a business.

Nobody will call usyk a ducker for not fighting parker, so he will feel no pressure/obligation to fight him

I hope he fights a parker or Kabayel next, but I would bet he doesn't. Anyway he hasn't beat Dubois yet, so he may not get a choice who to fight next. Though I'm pretty confident he boxes dubouis ears off

I just want to point this out once and for all (not to you, to everyone) I think Usyk is absolutely amazing, love the guys personality and his ability. But it's just my opinion that he's getting overrated y some and his more rabid fanboys who **** over other fighters make me want him to fail, which is wrong, because Usyk himself is a great fighter. Away from the forum I'm a major fan of him. I didn't post for a week and found how much I look at the sport different without the nonsense

I like banter and debate, but sometimes I wonder if I'd enjoy the sport/fighters more if I didn't participate on forums?

I remember fans putting me off manny, but in hindsight he is one of the greatest fighters ever and I appreciate him more in retirement

To cut a long story short, childish fanboys will always overrate who they like, while dismissing others, so I won't let history repeat itself

I will forever argue usyk isn't goat, but I'm not rooting against him either to just get one up on idiots. He is semi retired, so will enjoy the end of his career

 

I just wonder how many Usyk fanboys have/would touch Eeyore for a bag of Skittles.

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Sadly this is probably true... I guess it depends whether Fury even wants to fight again and whether AJ wants the smoke or not - it might (hopefully?) be that neither of those fights is genuinely available?

I would like to think he'd fight Parker next - he's the most worthy and it's not remotely close.

I find it amusing how so many (not necessarily you, it's very common) people talk about overhyped fighters and iffy resumes and then harp on about Kabayel deserving a title shot... His resume is very, very thin - it's literally Zhang, Chisora and **** all else - dude looks like he might be good, but that's a very different thing from being deserving and/or having waited too long.

That's very common... And getting into back and forths about our own unpopular/contrarian opinions can get draining, especially when many respondents aren't arguing in good faith.

Sure - cruiser it's possible he is, heavyweight he just doesn't have the era to enable a real case to be made...
He beat the two fighters who were head and shoulders above the rest, twice each and against stacked decks - he's an ATG, no doubt, but to be in the goat conversation you need a mega deep resume or a clear H2H case (which requires a deep resume anyway!) and Usyk falls short on the former and with Lewis as the competition on the latter point it's hard to back Olek.

Beating Dubois now will/would be at least to Usyks resume what Vitali is to Lewis's (beat one of the best of the next generation in their prime when you're ready for retirement)... And it could well be more than that, as it'll age well - but it still isn't going to put him right up there.

Just too poor an era, as good as he is and as good as he potentially could've been against better proven greats (and all of this could be said far more of the crazy for putting Fury as goat, which far too many were before he fought Usyk).

Ultimately resume is king in an all-time sense exactly the same way it is within each era - I don't give much leeway beyond what's proven because the odds are stacked against it...
I can't call myself a consistent and fair judge if I rank Usyk way beyond his resume whilst refusing to rank Wilder far enough beyond his to consider him top 5 in this era, for example.

 

Good post
I have no issues with anyone putting him top 20 all time. I personally don't agree with it, but a case can certainly be made, but top 5-10? Goat?

Like you say, he doesn't have the resume/opposition to climb that high. However, he has beat who has been put in front of him

Boxing is going on well over 100 years with many weight classes. Even being ranked 50th is a major accomplishment if we break down the top 10 in each division,especially the original weight classes

 

If we're not going by the rules as they're written, but rather some sort of customs and general practice by refs standard...well, in that case, it's a judgment call. Different refs could've called it different ways, and therefore you can't complain whenever any one particular ref exercises that discretion.

 

Exactly...

And there's definitely kudos in using your position to make the absolute best fights possible, too.

Usyk came up with a banked shot at a title from CW, proceeded to take a warm-up, the gnarliest gatekeeper he could find and then the unified champ, then finally getting the other belt added too.

What I'm getting at is...
There's beating who's put in front of you and there's making sure the best available are put in front of you and beating them.
That's the difference between the likes of Usyk, undefeated with a solid resume in double quick time at the weight, Vs (because it's a convenient example) Wilder pre-Fury who had also beaten "everything that was put in front of him" but in his case that meant 40 fights and between 0 and 3 contender level wins (and that hinges on your opinion of Ortiz, Stiverne and Breazeale).

Being undefeated is only as meaningful as how good your opponents were.

What Usyk has done is about as impressive as it's been possible for him to do... But the era limits what's possible.

 

Stylistically Kabayel or Parker (or even Opetaia) would be more entertaining fights with Usyk than AJ or Fury (and probably Dubois too). But Usyk obviously wants to fight Fury if he beats Dubois.

 

Exactly. And the only thing that I am complaining about really is this "I am right" nonsense. Read what I wrote. Most referees under those circumstances would not have called a low blow and therefore the scientifically correct call is "no low blow", it's not an exact science however so I do not criticize the ref for doing what he did. The holier than thou tiny little boys on here claiming to know best, I do however criticze them.

 

Yeah, I think it's one of those things where the ref has discretion, and therefore made the correct call. If the rules agree with the ref, so much the better.