Does Edwin Valero have equal hand speed to Manny Pac?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jeff M, Apr 5, 2009.


  1. Superfuzz

    Superfuzz Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just saw Valero fight on Youtube, and you know what...I am not sure if Pacquiao is faster than this guy.

    I think the left from Valero looks deadlier. Valero looks like a cobra. When he strikes, it's all over. The competition he was fighting wasn't championship caliber, but you can tell he has lightning quick speed, with heavy hands, deadly power.

    I am going to say that right now, Valero has a faster left. His left is straight too! If Valero has a chin, he will be tough to beat. That means you have to stay away from that left for 10-12 rounds, which could be near impossible...amazing!
     
  2. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes but look at the opponents he was facing....... Imagine what pac would do to those guys :scaredas:
     
  3. Superfuzz

    Superfuzz Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know, I said that the competition isn't championship level. But, you can still analyze speed and power, and Valero has got it. Very rare to have both. That left is quick, powerful, and STRAIGHT too!
     
  4. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What a weird argument to make, especially about JMM. If you want to get all "Lion King" about it, than every fight is in the past and can't be used to gauge present abilities.

    I'm undecided because, until Mr. Soul Glo/Mohawk/Fade/Shag Carpet/Mushroom Head, I'd only seen Valero in 2nd generation tape from South America. Granted, he looks really quick-handed in those tapes, but most of the competition was at just about my level of handspeed and - you might want to sit down for this one - I'm not exactly world-class competition. Impossible to gauge it until Valero finally gets a shot at gatekeeper-level opposition.
     
  5. bulakenyo

    bulakenyo Am I a boxing fan yet? Full Member

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    Can you suggest maybe 3 minimum risk but still respectable gatekeepers around Valero's weight class?
     
  6. Flea Man

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    In This Order-
    Katsidis
    Casamayor (Old)
    Juan Diaz (by the time Valero has fought those guys hopefully Juan has had a warm-up fight)

    After that, Antillon, then move up to 140 and challenge the big dogs
     
  7. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    How do you know? He fights for his people. He has not forgotten them! Have you been to Venezuela? We now have a socialist democracy here just like Venezuela!
     
  8. Flea Man

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    If he fought for his people he wouldn't associate himself with the government that is ruining them.
     
  9. bulakenyo

    bulakenyo Am I a boxing fan yet? Full Member

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    I wouldnt say these 3 are minimum risk, but yeah I get it. Good, strong line up.
     
  10. HyperBone

    HyperBone Silverback Gorilla Full Member

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    valeroooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!


    if he beats top opposition, ill become converted for sure. right now, i still consider him a good and entertaining fighter, but that might change in a few years
     
  11. Flea Man

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    If he wants to have minimum risk fights he won't go anywhere.

    Escebedo would be a decent fight for him next. He needs a mover, someone who will give him some rounds and not just stand in front of him. However, he's more likely to fight Soto next, but I'd like to see him fight Guzman.
     
  12. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Obviously you don't know the history of South America well enough to understand why things are the way they are. And you know what is happening in Venezuala? How is America's government better? Why do you make assumptions about these things? You personally know Edwin's political philosophy now? You will always find something wrong with him. You're obviously biased.
     
  13. HyperBone

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    nope. pac's still faster imo, but valero right now is ****ing dangerous because his speed is quite deceiving

    nice gabrielle union avy btw jeff m
     
  14. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    id love to see prescott vs valero.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Well, being British I could give two shits bout the U.S policy.

    I wouldn't approve of Gamboa if he came out with a Castro or Guevara tattoo either, so it's nuttin to do with bias. In fact I've tried to be more objective with Valero in the last couple of days, don't know whether you've noticed as his nuts are still in front of your face obscuring your vision.