Does ESPN regret wasting money on Fury yet?

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  1. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Active Member Full Member

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    What did they pay him like 100m for 3 fights or something?

    The first two of those fights were literally channel 5 opponent quality, and would have cost ESPN money not generated a profit.

    They would have to be relying on Wilder Vs Fury 2 to happen next and be a massive fight. Doing twice the business of the first fight and then some.

    When I see who Fury is fighting, the fact he ducked an immediate rematch with Wilder who couldn't wait to have a rematch, (same as klitschko btw, these guys want all the rematch smoke)

    Instead he fights top 100 heavyweights and almost loses to one of them. Point is I think Fury is pretty much done, I'm pretty sure Wilder won't be wound so tight in a rematch and would take him out. I truly belive Fury knows this too.

    As Wallin proved if you ignore furys herky jerking and messing about and just March forward letting your hands go Fury's "slick defence" starts to fail him pretty quickly. Wilder just has to say to himself I'm not falling for these cheap parlour tricks, and he will win.

    Best case scenario I think ESPN lose 20m on this deal and that's only if Fury vs Wilder 2 happens next AND it does really really well and far exceeds fight 1.
     
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  2. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Active Member Full Member

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    Impossible to answer until Wilder - Fury happens
    If the continue to work together after thst then its safe to say they were satisfied withe the outcome

    Fury most probably is on his way down but only comparing him to Fury that dethroned Vlad

    Compared to the rest of todays HWs he still stands out

    I just cant see how Arum who has been in the game far too long,is going to lose money
    I mean looking at it from a fans point of view then its hard to fathom how they even break even on this reported deal of Furys but... Bob knows all the tricks of the trade and and must have some kind of deals linked to the contract that we as fans wouldn't even think of?

    Fury has pretty much mocked boxing fans with his 2019 schedule but put yourself in his shoes
    Nice money for supposedly easy fights
    I can see why he went for it although i dont agree with it

    We wont know what he has left until 2020 but i think he will go full on for Wilder
    Its his last shot at glory and not money
    Moneys there to be earned for a long time in a number of ventures
    This is he final shot at glory most likely and ill think he will take it
     
  3. Smudge_

    Smudge_ No Vaseline Full Member

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    I doubt it's as straightforward as $100m for 3 fights. It will be dependent on other things like who the opponents are and how much revenue the fights bring in etc. and that he could potentially make $100m. But the media will use that figure for sensationalism and people pick up on it. I'm sure he's earning good money, but I seriously doubt he's made $60m+ for fighting Schwarz and Wallin.
     
  4. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very important to remember Arum himself described the financial figures mentioned at the time as ‘bullsh*t.’
     
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  5. destruction

    destruction Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I doubt those figures are true unless he faces Wilder in a rematch.

    The deal was all based on him facing Wilder. Then if he was to win for a mega fight with AJ.
    Even if AJ loses to Ruiz Jr the Tyson Fury match is huge.
     
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  6. Trafford

    Trafford Active Member Full Member

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    From what I heard Top Rank offered Fury $10m a fight for 2 tune ups then $20m for the Wilder fight. I was under the impression the Fury vs Wilder 2 fight will be joint PPV with Fox and ESPN with both sides paying their own man in a 50/500 deal.

    The big issue with this on ESPNs side is that the fight needs to do over 1m buys at £100 to get close to recouping the money invested. Top Rank are gambling that Fury wins the rematch and becomes a PPV star in U.S and opens the doors to PPV vs AJ, Ruiz, Miller etc anf they recoup in the long term.
     
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  7. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As much as I like Tyson Fury interviews, boy oh boy does he get a free pass. On the other hand, I never watch a single AJ interview - zero interest - and yet so many people give Fury a pass for fighting cans. The second coming: for beating a 40 year old Klitchko then peeling himself off the canvas in what in other countries may well have been a KO loss. Against a fighter considered by many to be the technically worst heavyweight champ for years.

    I am not knocking these two achievements. I could not do it. Most fighters could never do it. But these are not sustained periods of domination. They are great examples of decent timing and a freakish physical and technical skillset that an opponent could not figure out.

    I think Wilders punches have probably taken something out of Fury and he will get stopped in the rematch anyway. Great. What a dull fighter this guy is in the ring - a heavyweight without a punch is kryptonite to me, zero interest. When he's stopped I hope there is some decent perspective on Fury. He's jobbed tens of millions out of being moderately entertaining in the ring, and beat one old champion and bashed to the canvas by the other. Fury is best outside of the ring - there he is a real champ.
     
  8. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Active Member Full Member

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    Nailed it.

    Beating Klitschko was a great win but I wanted to see the rematch.

    Klitschko had 10 years of dominance and I truly belive he looked at Fury as a bit of a joke who he'd bang out easily. Then he got a 6'9 awkward herky jerk fighting defensive and throwing 4 jabs a round. Klitschko wanted that rematch and I wanted to see it to see if Fury could pull the same heist twice. It never happened and I'm still not sure if he could.

    Against Wilder, yes Wilder is technically abysmal and again used to being the taller guy, Szpilka did as good a job as Fury for 9 rounds or whatever, yes Fury got up but again Wilder was foaming at the mouth to get back in there but Fury swerved.

    Outside of those two there's a whole lot of nothing on his resume. Chisora, great.

    Wilder was a drawn fight and getting flattened on your back means that will always be debatable.

    So Fury's entire resume is that Wlad fight.
     
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  9. delboy82

    delboy82 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only problem with this is that wilder did decide to just that after he dropped fury he came forward and just let the hands go and nearly got knocked out himself as fury tagged him which then meant that fury actually finished the last round the stronger
     
  10. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Active Member Full Member

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    I saw a gassed out Wilder mildly half buzzed

    I saw fury flat on his back with his eyes spinning in the back of his head

    Guess which one I'll remember
     
  11. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both by the sounds of things.
     
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  12. delboy82

    delboy82 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    its clear which one you remember.... like I said you conveniently "forget" the rest of the round, where Wilder came forward throwing (like you suggest he should do in the rematch) got timed and was close to being dropped himself.

    Wilder has to target the body big time for the first half of the fight, take Tysons feet away from him and it makes the fight a damn site easier for Wilder.
     
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    delboy82 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the guy try to counter me but instead slapped himself in the face
     
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  14. Twentyman

    Twentyman ‘He’s just not that popular’ Full Member

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    This idea that all you have to do is ignore the feints and just walk through Fury’s shots to beat him is just crazy talk.
     
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  15. delboy82

    delboy82 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its literally the very thing that Fury wants you to do. He is a complete counter puncher Fury, He wants you to throw. Like I said, Wilder doesnt have the feet to be able to outbox Fury, he simply must attack the body to slow him down and reduce the upper body movement, that IMO is how Wilder finds the head with his big punches, when he slows Fury down.
     
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