Does Every Legit (Lineal/Recognized/Number 1) Champion Deserve HOF

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  1. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've asked this question previously and it stirred up a pretty good debate.

    I've always leaned that every legit champion deserves to be in the HOF due to the fact of the sheer odds one has against becoming champion. I'd have to guess the odds of being champion in any division - despite being so many nowadays - has to be way less than 1 percent.

    However, I can completely counter myself by asking the question - "How many fighters actually believe they can be the legit number 1 when they enter any weight division?"

    If I had to choose, I would say that Yes, every recognized champion ever has a clear path to the Hall of Fame. The lightest weights could potentially - along with every other argument I suggested - could again cause me to change my mind.
     
  2. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would say no, for the simple reason that the HOF is supposed to be for people who achieved something more than just being recognised as number one in a division.

    If you can get into the HOF for just being number one, then it kind of makes the HOF redundant as they are both of equal merit.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Does Hasim Rahman deserve to be in the HOF...?

    Danny Garcia...?
     
  4. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I mean another debate could be discussing the merits of the boxing HOF as it exists. Some would argue they enshrine those that will bring the most people in for the summer festivities.

    HOF I agree - best of the best - but to win a legit championship, you are exactly that. If the HOF is the "Best of the best of the best," (get it, lol) then I get that too.
     
  5. TheMikeLake

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    Rahman was the champion in the most celebrated division in boxing history? Pretty sure he will get the nod.

    Garcia - So far he's done nothing except win in a pretty celebrated division. I'd have to imagine he's closer to getting in than not.

    Edit - to once again argue with myself. I know Douglas isn't in for beating Tyson, so I hear you're argument, lol. I'm Devil's Advocating the hell out of myself.
     
  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    In every sport I follow I find myself of the belief that the Hall of Fames should be less inclusive.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I think 90% of people would disagree with you heavily on both.

    Rahman is as worthy as Braddock and most don't find him worthy.
     
  8. TheMikeLake

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    But Braddock is in the HOF...
     
  9. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yup, I hear ya. My question could bring with it so many more questions. As it stands, I think that the answer of "Yes" has to be heavily considered.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Exactly.

    See: "...and most don't find him worthy."
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    So if Danny Garcia retires tonight and never fights again, you would vote for him in the HOF?
     
  12. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your argument helped that aspect of my argument by saying that. If Braddock is in it makes sense Rahman would be.

    Again, just arguing for the sake of arguing. I know I've taken a few positions on this matter in the last few minutes, lol.
     
  13. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Damn good question. In my personal HOF? probably not. In the hall as it stands? I'd have to imagine it will be seriously considered...especially if they think it will bring a lot of fans 5 years from now ;)
     
  14. TheMikeLake

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    I'd have to look at other individual sports to see how participants favored in getting into the HOF when they only won one championship.

    I think we - or some of us - severely underestimate how hard it is to win a world championship in boxing.

    The argument of champs in fringe weight categories is a good one.
     
  15. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, I don't think I explained myself properly. It's a bit late over here where I am and i'm tired. Although I do agree with your points.

    What I was trying to say is - lets forget for a minute about certain criteria that allows you in to the HOF. I know there are some who probably got in for reasons beyond their in ring achievements. Instead, lets just look at it from a technical stand point and lets pretend it is the old days where there is only one belt per division, so number one in a division = being world champion.

    So we now have two different trophies of recognition for achievement 1) a world title belt, 2) entrance into the HOF.

    Now, if the criteria for achieving these is the same - become best in your division so you therefore win the world championship belt and gain entrance into the HOF - it kind of makes the whole thing pointless. Why have two trophies of recognition for achieving the one thing?

    Having different levels of achievement to attain for different trophies is, for me, the best way to do things. It is far from perfect, and there is some cross over between them, but in boxing we have world champion then HOF then the mythical P4P top 100 ATG. Having fighter's have to do more to get into the next category is good because it can give them a goal to aim for and it helps us fans rate fighters better...or at least put them in a rating box, for want of a better word i.e. so-and-so is HOF worthy, but not an ATG.