does floyd mayweather avoid his most dangerous challenges again and again?

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  1. bronx

    bronx Boxing Junkie banned

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    Mosley
    Margarito
    Cotto
    Winky - After he talked crap
    Tzyu

    And when he does take on real competition the W decison is razor thin (DLH,JLC), except for corales
     
  2. Ramshall1

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    His is the "path of least resitance". This is pretty clear.
     
  3. marzblkman

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    Who'd he "avoid"??

    Oh the great Magarito, Stevie Johnston, Roberto Garcia, Kosya Tsyu (help me out on that one because there was no avoidance).

    Yet another "Money May" can't let go the "hate" thread..
     
  4. Asterion

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    :deal
     
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  6. marzblkman

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    You're right, he should IMMEDIATELY say, "i'm fighting Miguel Cotto" off the heels of his victory and he obviously avoided Cotto before he fought Ricky Hatton even though Cotto was signed to fight Mosley.. Hell, they should fight in February because thats what 'real fighters do".. Anyways.

    Realize this, this is a business first and foremost. It would not only help out Mayweather's but Cotto's pocket book to BUILD UP to this..

    Most of all, what some of you seem to forget is that almost certain whomever WINS, the respective promoter will ask for "OPTIONS" on that fighter and I guess its forgotten that Mayweather is and Arum are STILL at odds with each other (over Mayweather buying out his deal with Bob)..

    But none of that matters right???
     
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  8. Ramshall1

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    Frauds duck list

    Casamayor
    Shane
    Cotto
    Margarito
    Winky
     
  9. Smazz20

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    The man hasn't retired yet people. What do you want him to do, fight them all on the same night?

    The only fighter he missed out on (i'm not saying he ducked him) is Kosta Tzsyu. He has another 2-3 years left of his physical prime to fight the others.
     
  10. errsta

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    Since he left 135, I'd say the answer is YES.

    I don't hold 154 against Floyd since he only fought Oscar there on Oscar's terms.

    at 147, I'd say yes but It is not entirely his fault, though. 147 was not as deep as it is now when he got to the weight. DLH and Mosley had not announced their intent to move back to 147. Cotto had yet to move up. The biggest threats at 147 were a recently defeated Spinks, Judah (who would soon lose to Baldomir), and an untested yet dangerous champion in Margarito.

    In all honesty, Margarito posed the biggest threat since he was the belt holder that was NOT coming off of a loss or a fluke win (a la Baldomir). Mayweather (and/or his team) absolutely weighted risk vs. reward and a fight against a large welter like Margarito did not make as much sense as fighting for the linear title.

    At 140, the answer is a resounding YES. Floyd took the safe route by lifting a belt from Gatti. A belt that Gatti had on a technicality known as the "super champion" rule. At the time, 140 was considered to be a very deep, if not the deepest, division in boxing. There were several more dangerous fights Floyd could have taken against the likes of Vivian Harris, Junior Witter, Ricky Hatton, N'dou (Lovemore, not Phillip), and of course Kostya Tszyu. Yes, I know, Floyd is a class above most of those fighters and would be heavily favored blah, blah, blah. That's not the point. The point is that all of the above, and even a green Cotto, presented a bigger challenge than Arturo Gatti. Floyd's stay at 140 was 100% about claiming the green strap for that weight.

    At 135, he beat (at least once) Castillo. I won't hold the likes of Spadafora, Lazcano, Johnston or Dorin against him because I hold Castillo in a much higher regard than anyone else at 135 at that time. I truly feel that Mayweather beat "the man" at this weight so I give him credit for 135.

    At 130, the same goes. While fights against Casamayor or Freitas were intriguing, neither one held the clout that Corrales did. By beating Corrales, and doing so in such a decisive manner, Floyd distanced himself as the cream of the crop of this weight class.

    In closing:
    at 130: Floyd may be the best ever, with apologies to Arguello.

    at 135: Top 10-15. This is an old division with a lot of history. Floyd beat a fellow great lightweight at 135 so yes, he earned his stripes.

    at 140: Absolutely not. Beating Bruseles and Gatti does not say much about Floyd at this weight. Cheap belt grab, IMO.

    at 147: Maybe. While Judah is not a great fighter, he was an X factor that had the physical attributes to test Mayweather. Mayweather adapated and overcame. When he got to the weight it wasn't that deep. Now, it may be the best division in boxing. Floyd says he wants to retire. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and not assume he's retiring to avoid a challenge.

    at 154: Floyd is not ATG but didn't duck anyone. The only reason he fought at this weight was to fight Oscar, who demanded the fight be at this weight.
     
  11. igotJUIC3

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    He definitely will fight Cotto....people are jumping the gun to fast let it pan out.....as far as the others....well Shane had his chance he opted out....he fought Cotto to fight Floyd afterwards and he loss....so he fukked up twice

    Margo never brought anything ....NOTHING to the table...not saying it was right but in todays boxing world its buisiness first hell even Cotto said he would fight Margo but they would have to have the money right. I read it in some article and to me it dont mean anything Cotto deserves big fights that pays off as does Floyd...Margo hasn't done nearly enough to fight Cotto or Floyd...he should look to PW again or Cintron again those are the top welters right below Cotto and Floyd.

    Im not sure on the Cassamayor thing so i cant speak on it.
     
  12. marzblkman

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    Yawn.. Let see, do you really believe Joel had a chance against Floyd?? Seriously??

    Shane?? Wasn't he offered the fight after the Vargas II fight prior to Floyd's Baldomir fight?? The infamous, "tooth ache" excuse?? Didn't Floyd also challenge Mosley prior to him fighting Vernon Forrest?? I think you really got it the other way around.

    Next on Margarito. You'd think looking like crap against Clottey and him DUCKING Paul Williams initially only to be stripped of his strapped had he not taken the fight and then lost conclusively would end this discussion..

    I already mentioned Cott and then we have Winky which was NEVER a serious discussion anyways.. Nevermind that these discussions occurred right after Winky fought Jermain (at middleweight) and were never really serious anyways..

    So if Floyd's a fraud, then please tell me who the 'real deal' is?? Also, please have reasons and not just random, unsubstantiated statements to back up what you say..
     
  13. Smazz20

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    It dosen't matter who the favourite is in a fight. Had Mayweather-Hatton not happened you could say the exact same thing about it. Mayweather could of fought and beat Casamayor and have him on his resume, no?

    Floyd fought Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir (of which I applaude him) so why not Margarito?
     
  14. bigtime9

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    what does margarito bring to the table..don't worry I'll wait:deal
     
  15. marzblkman

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    Margarito fight wasn't offered leading up to Judah. In case you all forgot, Baldomir was a mandatory for Judah leadng up to the fight.. Secondly I've already explained first and foremost this is a business.

    People say, 'he was offered 8 mill for Margarito". Well he was offered "8,000,001 for Baldomir PLUS PPV profits and fighting the then considered LINEAR champ". So he still should have made a deal with his OLD promoter who would have DEFINTELY wanted OPTIONS on his next fights as opposed to figting Baldomir?? See the big picture here.

    Again, folks won't be satisfied unless he's fighting twice a night so it doesn't matter.

    How sad is it Cassamayor's name being mentioned, my fuking god?? I guess these people didn't see his last performance or should I say no show where it lead ZERO credence to him in any facet, past, present or future..

    When Floyd beats Cotto, folks will scream..how he's ducking Wiliams and Berto and some prospect coming around at the time.

    Why not ask why didn't he give Augustus a rematch (LOL) while you're ahead..