Does Freddie Roach know...............................?

A little over dramatic are we? If you take a look at Freddie's top fighters, PAC, Amir and Jr.....2 out of the 3 have very good defense stats...it's not the James Toney defensive mastery where he can fight in the pocket, utilizing the philly shell, shoulder roll and pull counters but James didn't have the quickness, speed and wheels that Manny has either.

What Freddie is a master of is taking a fighter and fine tuning their style...he doesn't break them down and re-creates them...he simply figures out their qualities, attributes and strengths and hones them.

So many times you see fighters who change trainers who try to re-make them into a completely different fighter which sometimes works.....but 99% of the time, fails.

To question Freddie as a trainer and his abilities you must be the ghost of Eddie Futch.

 

i honestly thought pacs defence looked improved

 

Pacs defense only looks weak against Marquez

 

This. A lot of people don't realize this. Pac's defense has gotten WAY better than it used to be. He leaves fights often without much markings on his face. His defense has improved in the past few fights he has had. Amir Khan has poor defense.

 

Well he also takes far less chances. So it depends on what you were prefer.

 

Watching Khan/Peterson and Pacquiao/Bradley. His boxers seem to lack intenesty. It cost both Khan and Pacquiao in those fights.

 

The only "myth" pertaining to Manny is the mythical "A side" that gives him super powers. Pac has improved immensely in his overall fight game.....both in offense and defense. He is obviously a much more offensive force than defensive but that is the part of his game that has brought him the most success.

To give TIM any credit is being extra nice as all of his work on June 9 looked weak and ineffective....but yea.....the body shots from TIM was the best work he put in....

However....you have to realize the high guard for Pac is a way to bait reluctant fighters to come at Pac. In order to give Manny counter opportunities that aren't there a lot of the time because what usually ends up happening is his opponents hop on their bikes and engages less. Pac feels he can take a lot to the body and gives that to his opponents much of the time.

This is boxing......its not easy turning a diamond in the rough into a flawless gem. It takes time, consistency, commitment and synergy between both trainer and fighter.....especially if you are a new trainer.

Lee was landing a lot but he wasn't winning......for 3 shots he landed to Chavez 1, he still wasn't as effective as Jr in terms of damage inflicted.

 

Pacquiao isnt a champion anymore. FYI

 

pac showed good defense his last fight

 

Im thinking about the much more wild Pacquiao that faught Morales and Barerra, and he definitly has improved defensively

 

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Pacquiao's best defense is his offense, though he has improved.

Khan gets out of his gameplan easily in the ring if things aren't going his way, who knows how good his defense really is in the gym.

Chavez may know some defense, but he'd rather stalk forward and brawl.

It's tough to say how much defense Roach is teaching really. Gameplans change in a hurry once the bell rings.

 

I agree with other posters. I don't see where Pacquaio has bad defense.

Khan does need to work on his inside game, but even if he improves signficantly, that will still be his weakness concerning most opponents.

If Khan allows his opponent to get inside in the first place, he lost half the battle.

 

Defense alone cant win you fights, they focus more on offense because that is how you win... Sure they dont have defense like Floyd or Swea Pea but who does really? there has never been a time in which our champions or fighters was filled with defensively slick guys, you only have had a couple here couple there.