Does Freddie Roach know...............................?

If they had no defense, they all would have been stopped already. His fighters are flawed, but that doesn't mean they have no defense. Damn, people love to exaggerate.

Manny has a high guard and slips to counter well, and focuses on maintaining an opportune angle; Khan also keeps distance well and maximizes his height while sporting a high guard; Jr. has much improved in making his body a smaller target with his chin tucked while slipping punches as he advances. That's all defense.

 

^^This.

I think Roach's fighters tend to have sloppy footwork...He tends to overlook this simple aspect IMO.

 

I disagree. I think Pacquaio has some of the best footwork in the sport.

Khan relies on his feet a lot too, and does very well, for the most part; however, he's not on Pacquiao's level.

 

atsch He cant even cut off the ring and he has the best footwork in the game? Hell, he's off balance when he throws combinations...Most fighters arent out of postion when they throw their punches if they have good footwork...Give me a break with this non-sense.

Its more to footwork than darting in and out and bouncing on your feet.

 

LOL.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about due to your lack of experience.

It is incredibly difficult for an undersized Southpaw fighter to cut the ring off against a taller, rangier, orthadox fighter. There is already what I like to call an "uncomfortable distance" in which the tall rangier fighter almost always has the advantage.

You are refering to Pacquaio's fight against Mosley in this scenario, but your argument doesn't hold much water considering Pacquaio essentially shut him out on the scorecards.

Marquez may have beaten him, but I would wager to say that his footwork may be even better than Pacquaio's and is easily among the best in the game.

When Pacquaio fought against Bradley, his ability to cut off the ring miraculously improved, but this was due to Bradley not having a signficant size and reach advantage which created an uncomfortable countering distance which is very difficult for an undersized southpaw fighter to overcome.

Bradley's headmovment, made it very difficult for Pacquaio to land more than one shot at a time, but he didn't have much trouble cutting off the ring, despite that fact that Bradley has very good footwork himself.

Additionally, while Pacquaio's punching power and speed contributes greatly to this, there is a reason why fighters choose not to initiate or be aggressive with this fighter.

His footwork puts him in position to counter, and is a big reason why he's one of the best counterpunchers in the game today.

It is YOU that doesn't seem to understand footwork, but like I said, it is probably due to your inexperience.

Even when Pascal beat Dawson, he did so because Dawson decided to be the aggressor. This made Pascal's job much easier than if he were to be aggressive vs Dawson.

Pacquaio can get off balance, but it's also because his footwork contributes to his punching power. Martinez sometimes has the same problem, but he is also one of the most dynamic fighters in the game.

I think I'll take Manuel Steward's words over yours, especially considering Steward trains a boxer that has some of the best footwork in the game in Manny Steward, and also trained Hearns who also had excellent footwork.

So I think it's safe to say he knows what he's talking about.

 

Diamond Manny cant even cut the ring off on shorter guys either though

 

Who are you refering to? I mean, I don't think it's fair for you to say Marquez because Marquez has maybe top 3 footwork in the sport, if not the best.

You know, I guess it's hard to say. I suppose he did have trouble against Cotto, but again, Cotto has excellent footwork.

In fact, aside form Margarito, and Clottey, Manny has consistantly fought guys with great footwork.

But he still manages to win convincingly. Even though...somehow Bradley "won."

And you know how it is, unless you're a guy that's willing to get right in the trenches and smother your opponent, mauling him, and holding him there, it's very risky to put a great deal of pressure on your opponent if your a small southpaw fighter or vice versa, as long as your going against an opposite style.

And honestly, how many people have managed to corner Mosley, Cotto, Marquez, and Bradley?

I can think of Margarito cornering Cotto, but he had to take a hell of a beating to do it.

 

I love how you always stick your foot in your mouth...So now you have to be a certain size to cut off the ring?

Marquez cuts the ring down rather well and I dont see how his size stopped him from doing so, so please tell me what the hell does size have to do with anything?? Case in point being, JMM was able to cut the ring at times while Manny couldnt and wasnt Pac the bigger man of the 2?? You make it easy and yet you try to act like you know every damn thing!:rofl

I'm referring to the Mosley fight, the Cotto fight until he got wreckless and stopped using his feet to set up his offense...I'm talking about the JMM fight in which he look like an amateur at times...I'm talking about the Bradley fight in which he clearly couldnt cut down the ring.

Its quite evident that he tends to have problems with boxers that give him lateral movement! and yet you call that Great Footwork? I can agree Manny has quick feet but to se he has but how he positions himself after he punches, I just dont see how can somebody say he has good footwork.

And you hardley ever see Marquez out of postion because he doesnt over extend himself like Manny does..hence me saying Manny footwork is not that good IMO.

I strongly disagree he didnt do a good job at cutting down the ring no matter how many excuses you try to make.

You need to go back and watch the fight because I say something totally different.

Yet he tends to flailing wild shots becaues he's such a great postion to punch!:roll:

This is quite funny coming from you!:rofl So again, just because I dont agree with you illogical opinon some how I'm inexperince?? You act as if you're some world class trainer...I love how you go left field CAPSFUND.

:huh Not sure whats the point of talking about this...Dawson lost because he didnt fight to his abilites...Has nothing to do with footwork.

Well no **** sherlock...thats the whole point of my arguement!

At the end of the day its his opinion and I'll take the words of fighters that share the same opinion as mine over your bias opinion.:good
^^
Even trade off Genius!

 

You must have missed Marquez against Mayweather. Marquez couldn't even touch him.

When your opponent is adept at moving away from you, it makes it very difficult for you to catch them.

When you combine that with being an undersized southpaw, it makes it even more difficult.

Like I said, you don't have any experience, so you don't undestand boxing.

But I guess Marquez has **** footwork now.

And you make it seem like Bradley is so easy to hit, but have you ever seen him pinned against anyone?

Manny was hitting him so hard that his head was spinning around, but Manny is not going to get completely reckless and just charge in like Margarito or Chavez.

 

What the hell does size have to do with cutting down the ring though?? You're not making any sense...You can keep on saying I'm inexperience all you want...its still not gonna get your moot point across.

 

Isnt that the textbook definition of bias?

 

And?

 

Why do you think southpaw vs orthadox fighters are typically boring?

There is always that uncomfortable distance between the two. When you're an undersized southpaw, it is even more difficult because if you get reckless at any point, your opponent naturally has more reaction time with his power hand than normal.

Look what happened vs Cloud and Campillo.

Clould got hammered on his way in and even though he's had success with every other opponent with closing the distance, outside the first round, he had nothing for Campillo.

In this case, yes I understand that it was Cloud that was undersized, but it goes the same way if you're an undersized orthadox fighter against a tall, and rangy southpaw.

It can often be a nightmare.

 

Idk, you called him biased then said that....

Has nothing to do with your overall argument, just that inconsistent point caught my attention

 

:huh OK, do you want a cookie or something.