Does Freddie Roach know...............................?

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  1. TheJuggernaut

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    :lol:

    You mad bro?
     
  2. Rudyard

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    So you're pretty much saying that his size plays a role in why he cant cut down the ring?:rofl
     
  3. Rudyard

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    Not really! Just trying to get an understanding on what you're getting at because it means **** all to me!:good

    Proud you're having fun...Are you done yet?:roll:
     
  4. TheJuggernaut

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    Just saying bro, if youre gonna call someone else biased, you probably wanna avoid saying **** like "I listen to fighters who have the same opinion as me"
     
  5. Rudyard

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    Cool story!:roll:
     
  6. Diamond Eye

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    Depending on his opposition, yes.

    But Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, and Bradley all have very good footwork as well, which should be factored into the equation.

    And if you consider that Pacquaio didn't take much punishment in his fight against Mosley, and white washed him on the cards, should that fight even be used to judge his ability?

    Cotto did have the most success when he was on the backfoot, but Cotto always has the most success when he's on the backfoot. Same with Marquez.

    When Marquez had to chase Mayweather, he looked very human.

    Bradley, admittedly, has very good footwork on both ends. He is very good at closing distance, and is hard to catch, but his headmovement also plays a signficant role in this.

    Rudyard, what you got to understand is boxing is a game of angles.
     
  7. madg321

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    Bull****
     
  8. Rudyard

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    I understand angles... So with that being said, why isnt so difficult for Manny to use the right angles to trap his opponents that give him movement?? Its quite simple and all you've stated was its was due to his size...Tyson was a little man and knew exactly how to cut down the ring. So you cant kill that smaller size ****.
     
  9. Rudyard

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    Prove me wrong.:good
     
  10. Diamond Eye

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    I understand what you're saying, but it's different when you're going against a southpaw.

    It's part of the reason why southpaw's are so hard to fight.

    If they got a height and reach advantage over you, it just creates an angle that's difficult to overcome.

    I don't know...try it out. Now, if you're just a big strong dude, you might not care if you get hit with that left hand, and you'd be willing to smother your opponent and bang him against the ropes.

    But Pacquaio was smaller than Cotto and Mosley.

    No, he couldn't cut the ring off effectively against Marquez, but Marquez has excellent footwork himself, and Pacquaio still managed to win the fight.

    Whether or not you agree with the decision, is speculative, but the point is...why the **** are you always disagreeing with me?

    I know you watched DLH and saw how I was right about Martinez beating him.

    So, why you keep disagreeing with me?

    It's Pacquaio's ability to cut off the ring as good as his ability to stay on the outside, of course not...

    But if you factor in everything, Pacquaio has some of the best footwork in the game.

    People complain that Martinez looks human when he cuts off the ring too. And his opponents aren't as mobile as Pacquaio's last opponents.

    I mean, I think there is an unfair bias against Pacquaio.

    Put Mayweather in with Martinez, and we'll see how good his ability to cut the ring off is.

    He may have to in order to win the fight.

    It's phenomenal that an undersized southpaw has been able to acheive this much in his career.
     
  11. Big Left

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    Khan has no defense what so ever, he just runs.

    But all three of them (Pac, Chavez Jr. & Khan) are very offensive fighters.
     
  12. 6'4south

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    @Knuckleup

    I agree with some of your points but I posed the topic because I believe Freddie Roach is a creature of habit just like the rest of us, he teaches what he's been taught. As a fighter Freddie's biggest liability was his defense, now wether he thought it was or wasn't important enough, or just did have a natural ability for it, is not important, but I'm of the opinion that it's not high on his list of training, and it shows in the fighters he trains. Just my opinion.

    And for those who think defense is not just as mportant as offense, we saw a perfect example of what good defense can do for you in the Pacquiao vs Bradley fight. Before this turns into a debate about who really won, my point is this, Bradley's defense was very good in his fight with Pacquiao. I've stated this before, I think Bradley won that fight solely on ring generalship, yes I know it's one 1 of the 4 judging criterior but I think he won because of it. To me ring generalship is a byproduct of defense. Bradley was more effective at making Pacquiao miss, and at times look very wild and awkward, which created an illusion that he was in control of the fight. And what's and illusion, something you think you saw or experienced but really didn't, a good defense can do this for you, and imo making the other guy miss looks just as good as a punch landing.