Does Fury - Ngannou prove anything?

You've got to remember HW MMA fighters are mostly boxing and trying to get a quick KO before the other guy. They have the ground game and other skills but boxing is their bread and butter in a way it simply isn't for the rest of the sport.

 

So basically any big mma guy can **** up a smaller boxer?
By this logic bob sapp would hsve destroyed Tyson.
Or kimbo slice would kill rocky marciano.

 

Ngannou is not "any big mma guy" though, hes a UFC champion and probably the biggest puncher in the history of his sport. Hes many levels above Sapp and Kimbo.

Tbf Sapp despite having very little fighting skill beat Ernesto Hoost in kickboxing and gave Big Nog all he could handle in MMA, pretty much entirely due to his size and strength.

 

gnanou is a useless piece of meat who cant even move his head. Any decent boxer would box his ears off without many problems.

The only reason fury didnt do it is because he didnt want to. Fury spent the whole fight aiming NOT to hit.

You can see it in the very punch that drops fury

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Gannnou's hook can connect because fury's punch is not aimed to gnannou's head (actually it connects with gannou's elbow), had fury aimed to gnannou's head that hook would have never hit fury because fury's cross would have impacted first.

This is only an example. Were the video a bit longer you would see that the punch that fury threw before this situation was not aimed to gannous head either. Even the most useless amateur doesnt aim that bad, it is impossible to aim that bad unless on purpose.

That fight was staged as ****. It should be investigated, because being bets allowed staging a fight should imply prison for everybody and his mom there.

You can count how many punches gannou threw since he dropped fury until the round ended. I can save you some time: ZERO. First time in the history of boxing where a fighter drops his oponent and doesnt trhow a single punch anymore (he feints a jab to the body, I think, ridiculous!). (Lack of killer instict in the mma beast? I doubt it, in mma he has proved that he knows what fighting is about)

Staged as ****.

 

You don't need to be king kong to put fury on the ground either. Fury is so used to be put on the canvas that he feels at home there. What's difficult is to keep fury on the canvas, but putting his ass there is not too complicated actually, we have seen that many times before.

 

Heavyweights are different breeds as Francis will show again on March. Big men throwing big punches doing BIG MEN THINGS. Most people don't or will never understand because we're wimpy little pathetic losers who can't carry a cow on our backs. You think Foreman could stand there in his 40's taking punishment from younger men bouncing off him throwing a handful of punches a round and come out on top because he's got some magical powers, no he was simply a cool, calm, badass fighting man and that's what Francis is. These MMA guys ain't stupid they know what a fight is...

Francis showed better footwork and poise than Dillian Whyte & Chisora & more...

Again people underestimating this man in for a RUDE awakening. Don't convince yourselves otherwise.

Francis can't move his head? and? That kind of applies to the ENTIRE heavyweight division if you didn't notice? You think AJ moves his head? LOL. Even Fury doesn't move his head as much anymore and comes forward in straight lines thanks to the Kronk crap robot Wlad stuff Sugar Hill is teaching him. Usyk's head movement is a passive lean to the right or left, which you can negate quite easily if you know what you're doing in there. It's his lateral positioning ability which has slowed down a lot which is the trouble but Fury knows all about that because he used to be the same again out the window with Kronk.

What does AJ do better than Francis? What advantages does he have? Really ask yourself that question. What kind of fighter is he? how does he fight best? Where does he struggle? How will he and Ben Davison approach Francis? What will Francis do to upset that gameplan?

Fury fought Francis with an eye on big uppercuts and looping right hands. guess what, he saw none of that, He saw counterpunches and straight shots from a cool composed powerhouse who he couldn't bully. AJ has a WORSE bully mentality than Fury despite lacking in crucial areas what happens when he lands his best right hand and it bounces off that roided giant head of Francis? He's going to melt.

This fight is about who has the biggest set of the balls and I know the answer.

 

I don't know if it proves anything (I'd like to see both in their respective next fights) but it definitely points to a few things, IMO ....
1) Fury took Ngannou lightly.
2) Ngannou Is better than many expected (including Fury. The explosion of MMA probably makes the talent gap between top fighters and top boxers closer than its ever been).I
3) Fury has been overrated in some quarters, without the depth of resume to back up those claims.

 

It proves that you should take every opponent seriously. That's what I see it as. Not convinced of any special or unique power at all. Tyson Fury has been dropped several times including by a former moderate punching cruiserweight, Steve Cunningham. Cunningham arguably dropped Fury harder than Francis.

As far as I am concerned there is no proof that Francis is supposedly the hardest puncher in the world or in human history or whatever. Is it a coincidence that this is a UFC fighter? They're not known for hype and propaganda or anything are they? Lol



Francis had his best effort and Fury had a very mediocre effort. Even still, the fat man out jabbed Francis.

You are supposedly the hardest puncher in the world and all of this but you still ran out of gas near the end and severely slowed down and ultimately you got out jabbed by a fat man who had a body as the commentators pointed out "like a bag of milk"

It was a great effort for a first fight. But people said this about Conor McGregor as well.

"Connor won't be gassed because he's used to wrestling and that takes more out of you... Maybe Floyd can win a decision but he won't stop Connor because Connor is used to getting hit with the small gloves and used to training for kicks"

These points sound familiar?
These are the types of arguments we hear and they just get repeated and recycled.

 

A lot of boxing fans, being nostalgic and conservative by nature, can't comprehend that the gulf between modern boxers, particularly heavyweights, and other combat sports athletes really isn't that huge anymore. You don't need to have trained in the sport since a young age to be world class. It's becoming more and more common for fighters to cross over into other sports and do well. In fact it's been happening in the HW division for decades now, since the influx of the Eastern Europeans in the late 90s/early 2000s who tended to train in several other combat sports like kickboxing and sambo before moving over full time to boxing.

You also have a lot of cross-over in the gyms, which results in skills being spread across disciplines. For years one of Povetkin's closest sparring partners was Sergei Kharitonov, who also fought full time in Pride and as an amateur boxer against the likes of Robert Helenius. I think the same is true of Takam and Ngannou today. And I know Rico Verhoeven has sparred a lot with Fury in the past and has cited that as a reason why his boxing became so technical. Lots of boxing gyms these days have kickboxing and MMA components as a matter of course, and fighters from these different sports constantly testing each other.

There's also the fact that sports like the old K-1 and now Glory, and most of the MMA orgs have extremely roided up athletes competing in them who (for whatever reason) are able to pass doping tests while competing at a massive physical advantage. Not just Ngannou, look at fighters like Alistair Overeem, Jamal ben Saddik, Bob Sapp and Jerome le Banner back in the day. In many cases these monsters can punch harder than most professional HWs, and with a bit of tweaking can transition over really well.

So... it's not a case of today's HWs being substantially worse than in the past (they're not as good as the 90s bunch, but that's a hard act to top) but rather other athletes from other combat sports catching up to their level, as well as having certain techniques for achieving advantages in size and strength that a lot of traditionally minded boxers and their teams are behind the times on.

 

I'd say based on the eye test he's up there. Boxing doesn't hold a monopoly on hard hitters, and in many cases the shorter rounds of MMA and kickboxing encourage guys to train to put as much into their punches as possible, without worrying about conserving stamina. Look at the average Glory kickboxing match. Not much skill or technique on display, but the raw power from some of those guys is ridiculous.

But yeh, hardest puncher ever? That's a bit of hyperbole and impossible to ever prove. He can punch freaking hard though.

Well, the same repeatedly happened to Earnie Shavers as well. He's often cited as one of the biggest punchers in boxing history.

Not sure who said that, or even that those were common talking points before the fight, but if show they highlight a high degree of naivete and lack of understanding rather than any serious engagement with the subject.

 

Hard to say definitively because we have so little data on Ngannou's boxing, and the types of skills he used in standup would't tell us a whole lot. Based on a general approximation Joshua has much faster and sharper hands, much better timing, better movement, more experience in pacing himself over the distance, less reacting to feints, much better and more educated jab, and much smoother combinations. He's best on the outside using his jab to break down opponents or bait them into overcommitting and then countering. He's weak on the inside, but can also land hard shots there. He struggles against very good movers or overly defensive fighters.

He'll probably fight Ngannou cagily by keeping him out of punching range and spearing him with step-in jabs to head and body, mixed up with strafing right hands, and hard chopping hooks, bodyshots and uppercuts on the inside, then getting out before Ngannou can manhandle him. Rinse and repeat until something gives. If he needs a plan B such as in the event of a knockdown or if he gets badly hurt it'll probably be a lot of movement, a lot of clinching, and hard combinations to get Ngannou backing up or to hurt him until he can return to plan A. I don't think it's a particularly hard fight to prepare for tactics-wise. The danger comes from Ngannou's unorthodox rhythm, huge power, and mentally and physically sapping presence.

He'll probably go back to his boxing. He's fought guys he couldn't hurt before. Ruiz and Parker being the main ones. He generally just gets back down to business if he lands a hard shot and it has little visible effect. Whatever bully mentality he originally had coming up the ranks has been cowed by his losses, and he's a much more composed fighter these days.

 

Probably not.
I'm not a Fury fan but he clearly didn't train or prepare well.
Having said that he possibly is on the decline, due to lifestyle, age & lack of desire.

 

I haven't seen any display of unique power coming from Francis. In MMA he has the small gloves on and we see from other fighters horrible technique somehow result in "highlight reel KO's" even still.

Also I'm not sure which percentage of Francis's knockouts in MMA are to jumping on top of a downed opponent and "speed bagging" his head. I don't consider those any real displays of power equivalent to knocking a man off of his feet. So I have huge question marks with that.



I heard during the Connor and Mayweather fight that Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Connor and all of this. I heard that. And I heard that Francis won't be able to be hurt by Anthony Joshua because Francis is used to taking kicks. Well I'm saying Anthony Joshua will knock out Francis Just like I said Floyd would knock out Connor.

It is a similar type of thing I feel because there was a lot of hype about Connor being a massive puncher and he came to boxing and he had these horrible pushing type shots that had no snap on them. The supposedly light-hitting Mayweather was the snappier puncher in that fight by far and with the better gas tank.

 

In fairness AJ did drop Ruiz Jr in the First fight