Does Hagler beat every other 160 in 1987?

I disagree. Just because he was synched out against Leonard doesnt mean he was shot as a fighter. FAR from it.

 

He wasn't shot, but he was faded and his heart wasn't in it.

The motivation had gone.

Read the interview that I just posted.

Fights against those guys who are listed would have been great when he was in his prime though.

 

He was past it against Roldan. He was getting hit with shots that he never would have gotten hit with just a few years before. People forget he had good footwork and reflexes in his prime and was an excellent boxer puncher. By 87 he was slowed up and quite hittable. The only reason he survived good punching Mugabi was due to his granite chin. In 87 Nunn, a fighter prime Marv would have knocked cold, would have won a bicycle race.

 

I figured he didn't train and he lost motivation. I never heard of this interview.
You know the interesting thing, that video on that site where the interview is there from Good Morning America is my video on youtube. They linked to it. I put it on there years ago. Coincidence I guess, but maybe not. I love that era and taped everything then.

 

That's really cool that it was your video.

 

When I saw it I knew it was.. It was part a day before the fights and a day later.. It was a great time. A Hagler vs. Hearns rematch would have been interesting, but Hagler didn't want to box anymore.. And I knew it sort of. The way he talked after Hearns. Sort of like when you put your all into something and know you cannot go that far again. I think Leonard played a game and Hagler thought he would never fight him, so he put his all in to Hearns as the biggest fight ever. And then he beats Hearns and Ray comes out a year later when Marvin is not motivated much. Good move on Ray's part. Hagler should have followed his insincts, but he thought he would beat Ray easily and he got good money.. So how could he turn that down.

 

Sometimes when you put a video on youtube you can see how they linked it. My Hearns/Shuler fight I posted years ago has I think 113 thousand views.. I think.

 

Others know Graham better than I, but I think he could have been a tricky fight for MMH in 1987. Maybe Nunn as well.

 

Unfortunately, I missed out on those great fights because I was born in 1980. So I had to educate myself with that era when I was older. But I always remember my Dad's friend lending him the official 'SuperFight' VHS tape, with all of the build up etc. I was absolutely fascinated by it. I'm guessing that I watched that when I was about 8 or 9, so it could have been a few years after the actual fight.

I didn't see the Hearns-Hagler fight until I was older. But I'd have loved to have seen it live in 1985.

From all of the information that I've gathered throughout the years, it appears that in 1985, Marvin had given up all hope of ever fighting Ray. So I agree with you in that, at the time, all of his energy was put into a Hearns fight. But of course when Ray came knocking, it was a fight that he just couldn't refuse.

From time to time, I go back and watch the 'SuperFight' as well as HBO's build up to it. And I've been doing that for a long time now. And something has always stuck in my mind when watching it, Michael Katz' opinion that Marvin no longer really wanted to fight.

 

So how many of the other tops middleweights of 1987 could have beaten Sugar Ray if he had fought them instead of Hagler?

 

I have some boxing uploads from a decade ago on there. It is indeed interesting watching the total view count slowly go up over time.

Ever check out the analytics and where the traffic is coming from?

 

That is great you are into that era even if you didn't watch it much. That is a real historian of boxing who does that. Marvin seemed to be insecure about how people saw him as far as greatness. And he had two fights not happen earlier, Hearns was scheduled to fight in in 1982 and Leonard brought him to some auditorium just to say the fight would not happen.. So he used the Hearns fight to be his whole legacy as far as the cherry on the top. Someone said I didn't know the era because I said Hearns was his whole legacy. I forget who said it, but no I meant he was dominant against Sibson or Hamsho or Fully Obel. but they were not a Hearns level. Marvin picked the right time to come out smoking and fight the fight of his life. Michael Katz? I remember him. What ever happened to him? He would be an old man now.

 

No I have not done that. What does it show. Sometimes I forget about those youtube accounts since I don't sign onto them much, but they do go up slowly and people link to them with articles. I am glad youtube has stayed relatively without charge for watching.

 

And I agree with this too and I view it differently than most .. I mean I think Hagler made some HUGE mistakes in the fight that is written off by most by saying Hagler was shot.. And I don't want to take any away from Ray but I think Hagler lost this one himself as much as Ray took it from him

 

I agree also. And he was inactive and lost some motivation.. A fighter like Hagler should not have been fighting. His mindset was either fight if you are motivated or not at all. His punches were slow against Ray and they looped a lot... He didn't look shot, but he looked like a tired fighter. The snap was gone.