Does Hagler losing to Leonard hurt his legacy?

It does, sure he was past his best but Ray was moving up and coming of retirement he should have looked worse out of the two. A great win for Ray to come out of a 3 year retirement to beat an all time great at a higher weight granted on the slide but not shot by any means.

 

Your points are well taken if Hagler was past his peak wasn't Leonard?
I gave the fight to Ray but it was too close to call it a robbery ,imo could have gone the other way or been a draw.

 

Of course it tarnished his legacy a little, and it should have. He should've won that fight emphatically, whether he was past his prime or not. I had him winning BTW, but it shouldn't have been close. It showed his biggest weakness was his ring IQ, which is an important variable when separating the greats. I have him beating Monzon h2h, and I think clearly so. That said, even though I think Monzon is overrated h2h by some, his mental fortitude and IQ are leaps and bounds above Hagler's.

 

No, I'm saying Mugabi was KO'd badly at age 30 ( KO 1 ) by Terry Norris who did not hit as hard as Hagler. Want more? Mugabi was also bounced out in 1 round by McClellan at age 31. Down three times in round one.

Mugabi didn't have a good chin, these two fights prove it. Also Hagler didn't ruin him.

I think Hagler is a better boxer than Mugabi. To spell it out LOUDLY, Hagler once again gave an opponent too much respect in the early rounds, only this time he figured out sooner and switched tactics. He did the same thing for Leonard, and lost the fight because of it.

 

You believe Hagler was a better boxer than Mugabi was but initially Hagler gave him too much respect while the quicker at that stage Mugabi was beating Hagler to the punch early, then Hagler decided to slug it out with a powerpuncher? Thats respect? Ok. That doesn't make any sense Lad. And btw Hagler lost to Lenny because he was done and Lenny knew it. Quick question, why didn't Lenny challenge Marv earlier while he teased Hagler and the public with a bout throughout? You and I will have to agree to disagree. IMHO, Hagler didn't give Mugabi too much respect as he didn't give Tommy or Roldan the same respect. Mugabi wasn't known as a crafty fighter like Duran or Leonard so I just don't see it. But it seemed like he was stuck in quicksand as Mugabi was too quick at that stage for him to box so he made it a streetfight. But perhaps you are correct in your assumption that Mugabi didn't have a good chin. But then why did it take Hagler 11 rounds in a streetfight to stop him if he had a bad chin as Hagler seized the advantage in the middle rounds when he decided to "Tommy" him?

 

I think that the loss helped his legacy.

Before you all laugh at me, here me out. Please.
Had he won, he'd be critiqued for being pushed so close against a WW who had had 1 fight in 5 years and he looked terrible. Since he lost people give Leonard the credit he deserves, had he lost Hagler would be critiqued as the bigger man.

Or I'm chatting out of my ass

 

Hagler hit Mugabi with his best punches over many rounds and slowly ground him down.

The punishment Mugabi took in this epic fight took a lot out him. Hell, it took a lot out of Hagler.

Mugabi was a faded version by the time he faced Norris and McClellan.

It's stupid to say Mugabi never had a good chin or that simply because he was 30, he couldn't be past his best.

 

Mugabi had never been off his feet before and the guy had 195 amatuer bouts. Plus the 25 pro bouts prior to Marvin.

 

Not by a huge amount. But Marvin did screw himself over before the fight began.

 

Didn't know that 1st part. Thanks for the info

 

Didn't Leonard have several fights behind closed doors before the Hagler fight? Not just sparring, proper fights? Still great to come back and win of course.
Hagler was extremely slow, he looked so bad at times, swinging at thin air.
Losing to Leonard has to take a little from his legacy, but not loads. Agree that it helped it being his last fight.

 

Who the heck is Lenny?