Does Harry Greb have a case for being the most dominat sportsman in history?

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  1. McGrain

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    Between March 1919 and the end of 1922 he was beaten just once, by Tommy Gibbons, a loss that was bruttaly avenged.

    He fought in in excess of 100 times during this period and the level of competition is unmatched by any fighter in any 3 year period of the sport's history. Greb beat:

    Jack Dillon
    Mike McTigue
    Soldier Bartfield
    Gunboat Smith
    Battling Levinksy
    Billy Miske
    Bill Brennan
    Willie Meehan
    Gene Tunney
    Tommy Gibbons
    Jeff Smith
    Kid Norfolk
    Jack Renault
    Mike McTigue
    Tommy Loughran
    Billy Shade


    He amassed, in this short period, a better win resume than 95% of ATG fighters manage in a career. He beat most of these men multiple time, and in some cases utterly dominated fellow ATG fighters like Gene Tunney and Jack Dillon. In a fight schedule that saw him fight once a week on occasion, he slipped up only once against a bigger man who he would go on to utterly dominate.

    Does Greb have a case for being the most dominant sportsman in sport?
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You could make the case for sure.

    Whatever Greb was on I want some of it.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    Trebble Single Malt it is then
     
  4. McGrain

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    I don't reckon Greb drank as much as you think he did though. Less than Mickey Walker, I would bet.
     
  5. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Never see another Greb
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    lightweight

    Wait Spanish Whisky?
     
  7. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    I have to confess I don't know the intricacies of top Golfers, Racing Drivers and Tennis players, nor a big amount on Athletics.

    But Harry Greb is both a fighter with truly astounding figures, and the biggest kick in the bollocks to a boxing fan as there is.

    His speed is only truly apparent when you realise the footage isn't sped up, and judging by the capabilities of the opponents he prevailed against, he is probably the greatest fighter that ever lived.

    20 seconds of fight footage and I'd have no qualms classing him as such. As it stands I have him at #3, behind Ray Robinson at 2 and Armstrong at 1. Today at least.

    But in the pantheon of great sportsmen, I'm not qualified to judge.

    Good thread though.
     
  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    AS dominant as he was, i dont see the case being all that strong, to be honest.

    He was beaten by Loughran and his dominance of the sport is not universally excepted, in fact if asked to pick the greatest and most successful fighter ever, few would pick Greb.

    Compare this to Walter Lindrum in billiards, who i think probably has the title.

    Don Bradman - Cricket, an average which is at least 30 runs higher than the second highest average ever achieved.

    There are other great, great champions in sport who have dominated their sport to a greater extent and for longer periods than Harry Greb has. Not to take anything away from the great champion that he was.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    In terms of dominance, he didnt go a great amount of time without sufferering a defeat, his longest was 2years. He was fighting 20-25times a year so its sort of to be expected but other sports have allot of competition also and some go undefeated.

    Bekele is very dominant, dont think hes ever lost a race on track and has won about 3 olympics and loads of Worlds, plus hes had loads of races
     
  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He isn't even the most dominant in boxing, Henry Armstrong has a case to be his equal. :good
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    In boxing perhaps, but as an overall sportsman? Not a chance.
     
  12. burt bienstock

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    We cannot determine who was the greatest "sportsman" of alltime as each sport differs so much, but one thing is CERTAIN,HARRY GREB ,was the greatest AND most remarkable fighter who ever lived.Period....The list of great AND much larger boxers he defeated, most 15 to 50 lbs.heavier is astounding.Greb had tremendous foot and handspeed, iron chin, toughness, and unlimited stamina,in his prime, even prior to the licking he gave ihe 15 pound heavier Gene Tunney, made him unique. A fighter for the ages....Henry Armstrong,who I saw in 1943 ,past his peak, losing to Ray Robinson, was probably the next most remarkable boxer, as a triple crown winner. He was able togo from featherweight weight ,to lightweight, to welterweight,wihin a few lbs. of his opponents. But he was stopped by a good but not great Fritzie Zivic in 1941, at the age of 29. Also Armstrong had about 120 fights less than Harry Greb, and was one dimensional. Yes Harry Greb Fighting with one good eye was truly the greatest fighter who ever lived.....
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Those decisions are still debbated. I side with Tunney for the most part, but i'm in the minority on the board.