Does Haye hit harder than Tyson?

Name for me all the name fighters Mancini beat?

 

No

 

Roy Jones is not strong enough? Despite consistantly being the smaller man at 175? Name me one time that Roy Jones was outmatched Physically at MW.

He was a big strong MW, bigger and stronger than Robinson. Bigger than Hagler and as big as Monzon.

When did you see Roy Jones being bulied in his prime?

His size, handspeed, footspeed, power, bar Monzon, and relex's advantage's over all of these fighters would make him the favorite before the fight.

 

I didn't say he had a glass chin. He didn't, but he could be KO'ed. That is a very big weakness to have when fighting Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey or Louis. At some point they are going to hit you.

 

Yeah because Louis and Frazier had great chins....:blood

 

How many would you say all time greats has RJJ faced? Traver? Toney?
How many times was Hagler, SRR and Monzon cold cocked during their careers?

 

185 lbs (on average) Marciano would be outweighed by 60 lbs and his 67" reach would be 17(!!!) inches shorter than Lewis'. Plus, Marciano was 7" shorter, so he would have to punch up, meaning that the reach difference would be even greater than 17". He wouldn't even be able to hit Lennox, let alone wear him down. A few rounds of eating jabs and right hands is all it would take. Lewis' chin wouldn't even come into play.

Are you comparing Lennox Lewis with the likes of Primo Carnera and Jess Willard? atsch You know, it's like comparing W. Klitschko with Lance Whitaker and saying that Ibragimov would destroy Klitschko because he demolished Goofi...

 

So you judge fighters by their defeats? Instead of providing any analysis, he never showed any chin problems at 160, or 168 did he?



Tarver..... Toney and Hopkins are bonified ATG's.

 

They didn't? How many times were they laid out by a single punch?
Louis took at least 50 clean shots from Schemmling in their first fight, and half a dozen form Marciano as a old man. Frazier never finished a fight down and out. Ali never put Frazier down in three fights?

 

Haye doesn't even approach the power of the prime Tyson. Prime Tyson was the T-Rex of power hitters in the division. Hay's power doesn't even approach Wladimir's. Haye is more on par with someone like Calvin Brock.

 

Who did he fight at 60? You have to look at who people fight, and how they lose. Analysis of what? Its easy to look good fighting so-so guys. Hopkins yes I agree a ATG. Toney so-so on that one. RJJ was a great fighter, but not the world beater people like to make him out to be.

 

What the **** are you talking about 50 clean shots?

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Fraizer got beat around the ring by Foreman much worse than Lewis ever was, also Ali was not ever a big puncher.

 

Lewis is much better than Willard or especially Carnera. However Lewis could be hit by shorter men. If size was the only thing that mattered than Andre the Giant would be the greatest of all time. Marciano never had a problem punching up, neither did Tyson, or Frazier, or Louis. You act like Marciano or Frazier never actually fought anybody who was bigger than them?

 

Louis was beat down by in the first Schemmling fight over I think 10 rds, watch the tape and count all the hard right hands Louis ate. The point was Frazier always got up, unlike Lewis. Do you think Lewis would have gotten up from the same shots Foreman hit Frazier with? Ali had allot of KO's for being such a light puncher

 

At 160 Hopkins who you correctly just said was an ATG.

What about him makes him not a world beater? Was it all the titles in all the weight classes? The blinding handspeed, the fact that when he was in his prime he completly dominated nearly every single oponent he faced?