Does James Toney now have a legitimate claim to the GREATEST CHIN in boxing history?

Had to be done.

 

Maybe if you limit chin to very specific criteria. I'm evaluating more than simply avoiding being knocked unconscious, or put on ***** street.

Sure there are examples of fighters with good or bad beards and differing after effects of their boxing careers. And there may be no reliable way to predict who will suffer damage. My point is that regardless of whether or not a fighter has a sturdy chin or not, slurred speech indicates neurological damage. I think it's fairly safe to assume James wouldn't speak the way he does now if he hadn't been boxing. So though he was incredibly durable in the ring, there was a price being paid.

I think a fighter who is able to take monstrous shots to the head without being ko'd and also avoid signs of neuro damage afterwards has demonstrated a sturdier constitution. For whatever reason, their brain/body was able to take the abuse better. Suppose you have two fighters that are subjected to the same powerful blows to the upper arms. One fighter suffers stress fractures due to the blows. Even if both never appeared to be hurt by the punches, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that the fighter that didn't have any fractures has a more solid frame?

 

Yep. Say what you will about his skills or resume but his chin ranks up there with the best of them.

 

Haha no. Great defense. He has a great chin, but guys who get hit flush more like McCall or Marion Wilson would have more of a claim than JT. Hes top 100 though

 

Greatest chin my ass

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check.

Vital chin > Toney anyday.

 

James Toney was no cruiserweight. Toney had rolls of fat on him at that weight.

 

Oh yes :hey

on a more serious note, Toney had an okish chin until he started with the PEDs. rating Toneys chin past light heavyweight is like rating Margaritos punching power with his special pads

 

One of the best ever, but the greatest has to go to either Hagler or McCall.

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Gerry Penalosa ALWAYS gets forgotten from this sort of argument. Went the distance with Ponce De Leon and WOULD have gone the distance with Juanma if Roach didn't pull him out.

How about Pete Sanstol?

 

Wouldn't go that far, but he's definitely up there. Over 80 fights from Middleweight to Heavyweight over a 24 year career and I don't think he was ever seriously hurt. Stunned a few times, but not really hurt.

 

if we implement a chin test by lining up boxers to see who'd eat the most amount of say tua's left hooks flush, i think chuvalo would win hands down.

lots of people exhibit great chins but we only see them get hit flush here and there due to their defence. chuvalo had 0 defence and didn't even get knocked down even though he faced his fair share of hard hitting heavyweights including foreman whose the one of the hardest (if not the hardest) hitting heavyweights of all time.

 

Erm, Jones articulates better than Toney. He also carries himself better, and is more witty.

 

This was the most hurt Toney has ever been in an 85-fight, 23-year career, a good portion of which was spent as a fat, old man facing men who were naturally far bigger than him.

Fail.

 

How can a 5ft 9in man who has a lot of clearly visible bodyfat as a cruiser be a natural cruiser? That doesn't make sense. Toney functioned very effectively as a middleweight where he chose to win his first world title, then moved up to supermiddle to remove any weight cut, and then after he lost to Roy and seemed to lose his motivation/discipline, he started jumping weights. The fully motivated and disciplined Toney was a middle and a supermiddle. If he'd kept his dedication, he could've stayed there, much like B-Hop was able to stay at middle for so long (and Bernard was naturally bigger than James). Look at Toney's frame, that was never the frame of a natural cruiserweight, he always had the dimensions of a middle/supermiddle.

 

Silence ***. Toney had never been close to being stopped even before he went to heavyweight, despite taking the best shots of Roy Jones, Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Vassily Jirov, Michael Nunn, Prince Charles Williams, Merqui Sosa, etc etc.