Does Joyce need a new trainer?

Joyce is done bruh

Time to hype Zhang until he catches an upset too

It's a vicious cycle

 

Realistically, no... he's too old to learn defence (because he has basically none) at this point, let alone integrate it alongside offense, which plenty of one dimensional fighters struggle with.

What Joe really needs is a time machine and to get into the game younger - he's had too little time to get into the positions he wanted to within the orgs and now has too little time to turn it around and get there.

 

I'll train him and give him the best advice ever: get faster!

Can't do that?

Fight tomato cans at 6 a year. Quantity over quality.

Pride too much for that?

Then retire.

 

He's been training full time for more years than he can actually count. What can he improve?

Having said that, a good trainer for him would be Sugar Hill, who is great for the 'Kronk style' where you come forward and big dog people. I think Sugar Hill should train him to come forward and big dog Wilder.

 

Don’t thInk Joyce is quite done yet. Sometimes a fighter can just have another fighters number like Usyk against Joshua an Fury against Wilder no matter how often they fight. Zhang seems to have that effect on Joyce as well. Maybe a new trainer will give Joyce a fresh start which sounds crazy when you know he’s almost 40 but he’s just gotten remember that Zhang is even older than him an he’s just had his career best performance

 

No, he has reached his celing. He has done pretty well considering all things. Tough kid but lacks the xfactor. Time to hang them up.

 

Joyce doesn't have the knowledge, talent, and/or amateur pedigree basis to find a new trainer and reshape his game on the fly. Any drastic change would require extreme amount of training, and he is old at that point. The more obvious, ad hoc adjustments do not require a new trainer.

Steward was finishing the already extremely talented product in Lewis and Klitschko. Sugar Hill helped Fury with his come-forward style, but the man already displayed he can mingle inside and work with his weight when he wants to before, on top of being a lifetime fighter. For majority of boxers, changing a trainer shows result after a much longer period of time. That is not to say he shouldn't do that, but it ought to be a careful decision.

 

At 38 years of age? he'd benefit far more from a cagy match maker than a trainer at this point.

 

This. Joyce can still be a destroyer against the right opponents, but even as early as the Jennings fight I knew his sloppy defense and over reliance on his size and strength would catch up with him when he fought other top fighters.

 

Unless you can restore Joyce's mind and muscle memory back to factory settings (ie a blank slate) then what's the point?

That's what Joyce needs at this point and he probably doesn't have the mental makeup to do it

 

His time is up. Homer Simpson style was only going to take him so far and we saw the end of that trip with Zhang.

 

Lol he is 38

 

You must really hate Joe Joyce if you want Teddy Atlas to be his trainer.