Does Lewis get to little or to much credit for beating Holyfield and Tyson

It would be silly if one had them even or thereabouts without their respective fights considered.

 

Well McCall did beat a near prime Lewis though. McBride and Spinks beat old men.

 

Yep. :good

 

Not to be overly blunt or disgusting John, but the ass in your avator is one well fit for a *****.

 

Tell me something i don't know

:smoke

 

Why did some boxing experts still belive Ali could beat Holmes? Sometimes a big name can cloud otherwise sensible judgement.

 

Okay,

I'll repeat myself then.

The ass in your avator is one well fit for a *****

I think I'll make it my catch phrase for the day.:think

 

The question is not who was better or whatever. The question is if Lewis gets too much credit for his wins over them.

Would anyone who says NO include either the Holyfield fights or Tyson fight in their top 5 Lewis wins?

*edit* I agree with Magoo. Beautiful ass.

 

You severely underestimate my assual knowledge!

 

ASS usual, you're quick with a witty rebuddle my friend.

 

Would you also say it's silly not to consider the Jeffries Vs Johnson match in judging their legacies?

Because personally Johnson beating Jeffries at that stage means little to me, and Jeffries losing to Johnson at that stage means very little to me also when considering their legacies.

 

I misworded in the last post.

Look, this is simple.

If someone has these guys similar totally excluding their head to heads then obviously Lewis ending up Numero Uno. How the hell could he not lol.

I don't go for the excuse these guys were cripples and impotent and the like. Far from it. These two were a far cry from what a Holmes was vs Tyson or an Ali vs Holmes let us be honest.

 

Holyfield was still a good fighter, but he had seen better days. I don't think anyone can dispute that.

Tyson on the other hand, was shot. Sure, good enough to beat Brian Nielsen (who?) but he was basically living off a reputation. Good for 2 or maybe 3 rounds, but after that total rubbish.
The Williams fight proved as much.
Seriously, Holmes was in better shape for Tyson than Tyson was for Lewis.

Holyfield is for me a bit harder to guage because after the 2nd Tyson fight I didn't keep tabs on his career until he fought Lewis.

 

Given how Holyfield looked against Ruiz, I'd say he was pretty well past it, yet he managed to go 24 rounds with Lewis and even made it a close effort ( in my opinion, but no one elses. ) I acknowledge the fact that Lewis wasn't much younger than Holyfield, but I also don't think that he had suffered as much wear and tear over the years as Holyfield did in some of the wars that he engaged. Look at Evander between 1988 and 1991, when he was in his late 20's and destroying top rated heavyweights on a regular basis. I still have some of these fights on VHS, and enjoy watching them periodically. I'm not sure what his punch out put was in these early fights, but I'm guessing that he had the ability to stay busy for an entire fight, and not just in the early to mid rounds. His reflexes were sharper and he was much more capable of finishing guys off when he had them hurt. In addition, the tenacity was gone by 1998, that was present nearly a decade earlier.

Fantasy matchups don't hold much water as they are extremely inconclusive.I do feel strongly however, that a young Holyfield during the late 80's/ early 90's likely would not have lost to Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer or Lennox Lewis. He was much hungrier and more tenacious with physical conditioning like no other fighter that ever lived, and had not yet been subjected to the boncrushing battles that he would endure over the next 15 years.

 

Well at the end of the day i am thoroughly convinced Lewis would beat both Holyfield and Tyson all at their best anyways. I think he has the style to beat both. Peak Holy's bouts vs Bowe hold excellent for Lewis and Lewis has the power and strength to both nullify and take out Tyson. He tied him up easily in close when he wanted and is uber dangerous from the longer range. Just my opinion but it's formed over a long period and watching basically all their fights. At the end of the day 3 great fighters. We were blessed to have them so close together.