Does losing affect a fighter more than a beating ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by freddy-wak, Jun 4, 2010.


  1. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

    36,443
    29
    Oct 28, 2004
    sounds stupid, but think about it......there has been many close wars where the winner moves on to have a couple of great years (manny pac), and there is other cases where the loser all of a sudden starts going downhill (cotto) but both pretty much have taken the same amount of punishment (in fact i think manny's taken more)

    there has been many fighters that got ruined in just one fight and that left me thinking....was it the actual beating, or just the fact that they lost :huh

    guys like vargas, taylor, lacy, pavlik etc etc were never really war torn fighters, but all it took was one loss to see a dramatic change in them.....


    what do you guys think...
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,560
    67
    Mar 11, 2006
    I think getting beat up, hurt and going down with pride, is a lot better than being humiliated. I think it's a pride thing - A lot of guys get in the ring and want to prove something, that they are tough and warriors, so being beaten like one isn't so bad. You just don't want to look stupid.

    I think a lot of guys are shamed after being schooled, by Pavlik was. It destroys a fighters aura. Had Pavlik been in a war with Hopkins, I think he would have looked better against all post-Hopkins opponents, than he actually did.

    The ones which suffer the most, are the ones who wear their heart on their sleeve, like Hatton. People like Dirrell would much rather lose by a comfy shut out, than go to war and be decisioned or stopped late.

    If I was a boxer, I'd find it easier to come back after getting hurt, than outclassed. Physical pain is easier than mental pain.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,002
    48,092
    Mar 21, 2007
    Losing is definitely hard on a fighter's psyche. For Cotto, it is doubly hard, he's a tough-guy pressure-fighter and he has been beaten up a much smaller man, really thrashed. That's not easy to screw on. Steward has spoken about the emotional difficulties actually affecting a fighter's co-ordination. Obviously it affects belief which matters enormously at key moments.

    But there are guys who took a genuinely horrible beating in a winning effort and were never the same again. Frazier's win over Ali is one example.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007

    It's amazing that Pacquaio has taken all that punishment yet is at the top of his game while fighting at his 9th weight class, while being in the sport for 15 years, and having over 50 fights. Anyway, sometimes it's the losing the hurts the fighter. Their confidence is shaken, they no longer feel invincible. Other times, it's the physical punishment which has taken a toll on them physically and mentally. Look at Vazquez. He won 2 of those first 3 fights with Marquez. However, those fights took a heavy physical toll on him and he's simply not the same. So the answer is both. Sometimes it's the losing, sometimes it's the punishment they take, sometimes it's both the losing and the punishment.
     
  5. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,014
    4
    Jul 30, 2008
    Good question.


    Some people will argue that Margarito had something taken out of him in his victory against Cotto. (His fair and square victory, by the way)


    Physically, a beating is a beating whether you win or lose. But motivation, heart, and work-ethic can all be affected by a loss.
     
  6. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    50,553
    18,242
    Oct 7, 2006
    Beatings scar fighters psychologically.

    getting a brutal beating is something most fighters NEVER want to experience, its a scary feeling.
     
  7. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,014
    4
    Jul 30, 2008
    :good
     
  8. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

    36,443
    29
    Oct 28, 2004

    that's true....

    i take vic ortiz for example, he was a humble guy, never loud, never wore his heart on his sleave....took a brutal beating, but in a war not a shut-out and he seems to be bouncing back good........
     
  9. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

    21,349
    1
    Sep 14, 2008
    Naseem Hamed never recovered from a sound loss.
    Its probably all mental.
    Cats like Morales, chavez, el chapo etc are built from another cloth.
     
  10. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

    36,443
    29
    Oct 28, 2004

    makes you wonder about those type of fighters...them ****ers dont come around too often
     
  11. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,560
    67
    Mar 11, 2006
    Yeah, that's right. I think if he had been schooled and shut out, he would have looked worse on his comeback.

    It just depends on the guy though. The fighters I like, ate the ones who would choose to go out on their shield, rather than be comfortably schooled.
     
  12. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

    21,349
    1
    Sep 14, 2008
    There must be a few of them hiding somewhere..i think so.
    But man, yesterday was a long time ago..i miss it!

    btw ..Great thread bro!!
     
  13. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

    36,443
    29
    Oct 28, 2004

    reminds me of vargas....even when he got ko'd he was always in it, sure it was cause of his power that usually kept him in, but that ****er had the heart of a true warrior....
     
  14. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

    36,443
    29
    Oct 28, 2004

    thanks...:good



    and you can thank soccer, football and basketball for taking away our future warriors :fire:fire:fire
     
  15. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

    34,221
    5,875
    Apr 30, 2006
    Well said and good examples. :thumbsup

    Lamon Brewster and Librado Andrade are two other guys for the "beating" side of things. They've only lost a handful of fights, but took a good deal of punishment even in their wins. No matter who you are, that kind of style boils down to being good for the blood n' guts fans and bad for a long-term career.