Does losing when Past your Prime Damage your legacy?

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  1. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    Is knowing when to stop, or still being able to be competitive when you lose your athletic abilities one component of greatness? should this ''skill'' be taken into account when discussing how great someone is? how well they can adapt their style as they get older?
     
  2. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Let me make a case for retiring near the correct time.

    First there is the common sense argument. We would all agree that Evander Holyfield and RJJ should have already retired. Why? Because their abilities have declined and one thing no one can stop is father time. Having the ability to make close to the correct call when considering retirement enhances your status as a boxer. EG Marciano, Lewis, Tyson etc. (There are some exceptions).

    Second, fame and popularity effect a boxer's status. We hear time and time again how so cant draw flies to ****. this influences not just casual fans but serious fans as well. We cannot deny that Ali's personality plays a role in determining his ATG status. When a boxer starts losing to journeyman status people it will minify their over all accomplishments even if just by small amount as it decreases their fame and places us more under a pity or empathy view.

    Third, How many losses a person acquires effects how a person is perceived historically. Look for instance at Rocky Marciano. He never lost and there is a mystique about him. He was young by most standards when he retired. Had he hung on he would have lost eventually and then he wouldnt be remembered how he is right now. I will call this third point the "mystique" factor.
     
  3. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think a dose of common sense needs to go into any evaluation of a fighter's career. Some fighters face a guy who just has his number. Some hang on too long, etc. That's why I always look at a fighter while prime and his complete resume differently.
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    At the end of the day, I think most of us tend to forgive a fighter for hanging on to long. For example, I'm guessing most of you forgot all about Alexis Argeullo's ill fated attempt at a come back in the mid nineties.
     
  5. mike_bngs

    mike_bngs Active Member Full Member

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    i agree there are several atg's who are not judged by the end of their over long careers going shitty.
     
  6. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Depends on the circumstances, impossible to answer unless Ive been given a specific fighers career to judge, every fighter is different.

    Give me a name n al give you an answer.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yep, very true :cool:
     
  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Perhaps... but he`d have just as many people on the opposite side saying `he should have pushed his extreme ability to its limits in the name of immortality by challenging Lennox Lewis` & to be honest, both arguments have merit... its all just opinion.

    Its why we`re here I suppose (ESB I mean, not planet pluto ;))