Does losing when your shot hurt your legacy?

As far as Jones goes, I do agree he avoided some fights in his prime, but I can't knock him for losing to Tarver, Johnson, Green, Calzaghe, and Hopkins...because it happened when he had already fought pro for 15 YEARS! BUT I do knock him for avoiding challenges in his prime.

 

Depends on who you are and how popular you are. It is called a double standard.

 

because these guys at less than their best had so much innate boxing ability that they could still kick some ass even in diminished states. Jones was all speed and reflex and didnt have suprerior technique to fall back on, and a glass jaw doesnt fair well on an ATG, last but not least Jones' opposition is embarrasing and to even try to compare it to Ali or Durans level of Comp is laughable.

 

Tarver is only a fight that could have beaten Jones in hindsight:deal

Clearly after the first fight it was damn clear Jones had lost his movement

 

It only tarnishes their legacy to the newbies to the sport and haters. ie. people think Tyson was a 3 round fighter/brawler for his whole career or that he was in his prime when he fought Lewis etc

 

:good

 

honestly, haters like to think so, but i think losing when you are shot is irrelevant IF you had your legacy secured and challenged the best opposition available in your prime

Example: Eric Morales can loose by ko in his next fight in the first round, he would still be an atg and a warrior

 

I don't think it hurts an individual's opinion of a fighter but I think it hurts the overall consensus. If someone's legacy is like hot water and the haters are the cold water, what happens when you mix them together?

Also, imagine a 10 year old watching his first fight. He is watching Mayweather/Mosley and witnesses Mosley get completely annihalated. That 10 year old may instantly form a negative opinion of Mosley and it's not going to matter if the adults in "the know" tell him different. When that kid goes to school on Monday and tells his friends about the fight he watched, he's going to say things like "Mosley sucks!" What are the other kids going to say? Mosley is shot? They have no concept of that. They are influenced by what they see and what they saw was Mosley sucks.

 

No, not at all, look at how Hopkins redeemed himself by schooling Pavlik after losing to Calzaghe.

According to the haters, Hopkins was old and shot when Calzaghe beat him, then turned back the clock and produced a masterclass over a young hungry lion in his next fight.

Now people say Hopkins actually beat Calzaghe :yep

 

If RJ had hung' em up after Ruiz, where would he rank with you, cb?

 

Boxing is a difference sport now, which is probably why the best fighters don't fight each other. One loss and your career is over. People seem less forgiving overall of a fighter that loses depending on the fighter.

A guy like RJJ is alway respected. People recognize that he is losing to bums, but they also know that almost nobody could touch a prime RJJ. I think its his ability to show flashes of brilliance even now, that people don't forget so his legacy is in tact.

 

With guys like Hearns or Leonard or Duran it doesn't hurt a bit to lose later in a career. That is because of the amount of guys they fought in their prime. But for Jones who ducked guys, he is actually fighting tougher guys when he is older than in his prime, and if he losses to them, then he has a big record of losing to the good guys since he never fought them in his prime. I think Jones it will hurt more than guys who did fight them all when they were young.

 

It doesn't for me. If a guy pulls off a good win when he's shot, he gets extra credit for it though.

 

it really depends on how the actual fight plays out, not just the result. Losing can damage your legacy even if you're past it, but it can also help it if you're a major underdog and put in a better-than-expected performance.

 

thats why you retire like joe calzaghe and floyd mayweather jr.i dont think it hurts there legacy when a fighter loses way passed there prime.when you are a shell of your old self i dont count it really.

jones jr vs calzaghe i dont count because he was way passed it.
jones jr vs hopkins the same way.
jones jr vs danny green the same way.
but whats funny is, if jones wins then you count it passed his prime and if he loses you dont.like jones well passed his prime but what he do to lacy.anyone want to see the latest vintage jones jr watch that fight.