Does Luis Ortiz have one more big fight in him?

Luis Ortiz was cast with an evil championship curse by a rare breed of Cuban gypsies. Every Metonic moon cycle he is given the opportunity to fight for the heavyweight championship to break the curse but he fails every time. After over 100 years of fighting he had the opportunity and was boxing up Deontay Wilder but Wilder is possessed by the devil and that evil force that cannot be beaten by an ordinary man only a man protected by gypsy magic and the gods of war themselves.

 

I want to see him against any of Joyce, Zhang, Makhmudov or Bakole.

 

Him and Chisora need to fight…

 

Chisora would win, comfortably IMHO.

Not just because he's a bit less ancient and less physically shot, but he's more proven too - not just better wins, but creditable performances in losses against top fighters (Ortiz never fought top quality fighters).

Delboy often gets underrated whilst Ortiz gets vastly overrated.

Especially now this wouldn't be close, I'm not sure it would've if you'd held it 5 or 10 years ago either.

 

Prime vs 'prime', Povetkin kills the geriatric.

There is a considerable gap in skill between the two. The biggest blessing of Wilder's career was the news that his fight with Povetkin was cancelled. That was the banana skin (Ruiz vs AJ for example) that he managed to avoid.

 

Agreed. Chisora would stop Ortiz with relative ease.

Even if we were to consider Chisora in his later years, when retirement should have been considered years ago, he is still levels above Ortiz. Some may attribute Chisora's victory to Ortiz's age, but it's worth noting that Ortiz was old when he was born.

Ortiz is a ducking shite house, always has been.

 

Banana skin implies it's a slip-up, an inferior fighter that might've got lucky.

It ain't so - Pov was just flat out levels better than Wilder, he'd have won deservedly... It's a shame, really, because he'd have worn the belt like a real champion, fought actual contenders, etc.

 

Absolutely agree. However, that's not how the general public of boxing (Americans) would have seen it.
Let's not forget, at the time Wilder was a 'god among men' and was touted to be better than Tyson and Lewis (I know, I know).

From their point of view, it would have been a banana peel.

Pov would have destroyed any version of Wilder. I was going to bet on exactly that, should the fight have eventuated
I'd never really considered what Povetkin would have been like as a champion, but you're right - he is a tough SOB who wouldn't have ducked anyone.

 

For the low IQ brigade:

Povetkin's manager admitted that they avoided Ortiz

https://www.rbth.com/sport/2014/04/...itschko_rematch_continue_to_recede_35827.html

Joyce's trainer admitted that he protected Joyce from a post-Wilder 1 Ortiz

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Takam pulled out of the Ortiz fight at the last minute

https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/ortiz-vs-takam-falls-malik-scott-possible-new-opponent-king-kong-ortiz/

Chisora has stated on numerous occasions that he doesn't want to fight "nightmare" Ortiz, including earlier this year

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...-scott-and-knows-his-strengths-and-weaknesses

Ruiz tried to fight kickboxer Spong instead of a 43 year old, 2 KO defeat Ortiz

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18265354/andy-ruiz-next-fight-tyrone-spong-boxing-news/

This is the tip of the iceberg. No one was going out of their way to fight a hard punching, mentally tough, experienced, skilled southpaw heavyweight who wasn't a big draw. Hence Ortiz didn't get big fights prior to being on the cusp of 39.

Ortiz displayed better power, pointfighting and defence against mutual opponents than Joyce, Pulev, Takam, Chisora, Whyte and Parker.

Ortiz’s best winning performances against mutual opponents relative to rivals

Page: 3-0 Ortiz stopped 53 fight veteran Page in 8, who was in the midst of a 6 year, 44 fight streak where only Ortiz stopped him among a slew of contenders and champions.

Kayode: Ortiz stopped 20-0-1 6th Ring ranked cruiserweight turned heavyweight Kayode in 1. Kayode had fought former light heavyweight champion Tarver to a 12 round draw in America.

Jennings: Ortiz outboxed and stopped 19-1 6th Ring ranked heavyweight Jennings in 7, who was coming off a 9-3 loss to lineal champion and P4P No.2 Wlad. Jennings went on to give Joyce a highly competitive fight over the 12 round distance in Britain.

Thompson: Ortiz shut out and stopped Thompson in 6. Thompson had gone 12 rounds with Pulev in Germany and Takam in France in the previous 30 months, losing 9-3 both times and had only been stopped by Wlad in 46 fights prior to Ortiz.

Scott: Ortiz shut out Scott over 12 and dropped him three times in a fight that would have been stopped in the 4th with an impartial referee. The only time Scott was outpointed in 42 fights. Scott had previously given Chisora a highly competitive fight over 6 before the referee allowed him to quit.

Allen: Ortiz shut out and stopped 9-1-1 Allen in 7. Allen landed almost 4x as many punches on Whyte over the 10 round distance in his previous fight according to Compubox.

Cojanu: Post-Wilder 1 Ortiz KO’d Cojanu in 2. Cojanu had gone the 12 round distance with titlist Parker in New Zealand in his previous fight, losing 9-3.

Martin: Post-Wilder 2, 42 year old, 398 career fights Ortiz got off the canvas twice to KO former titlist Martin in 6. Arguably the most significant victory by a 42+ year old heavyweight since Foreman KO’d Moorer. Martin went on to take the highly touted prospect Anderson the 10 round distance, ending his 14 fight KO streak.

 

Povetkin avoided Wlad for over 4 years, never beat anyone better than Takam/Whyte, lost to Wlad (pathetically allowed himself to be abused), lost to Joshua and Povetkin's manager admitted that they avoided Ortiz.

 

Hrgovic would violate him at this stage. Yes to the rest.

 

I should think the Joshua fight can be thrown out on account of being past it. How is losing to prime Wladimir a stain on his record?

As for ducking is Wilder not fighting Hrgovic, Bakole, etc a duck? If not how is it different than Povetkin not facing Ortiz. Povetkin did guys who Wilder failed to fight like Hunter and Whyte.

 

I don’t think Hygovic is as good made out. He could loose to Ortiz.

 

A Luis Ortiz vs. Frank Sanchez farewell fight would be a great idea IMO. Cuban derby. And the symbolism of older fighters delaying and younger ones coming. Even the fight could be organized in Cuba (I don't understand this part; management). Thus, Ortiz, who is already 44 years old, would receive some kind of payment. However the fight ends (and I think Sanchez would win), Ortiz could retire with dignity.

 

When I think of Luis Ortiz I think of heart. His daughter had a disorder where they almost dismembered her hands, as Luis puts it in perspective he says he would have cut off his own hands as well so he could show her she was not alone. I mean a doctor assisted procedure not literally get rid of his hands: it's amazing the love he has for his young daughter who thankfully has 2 hands functioning perfectly. Every great fighter has one great fight left in him.