Does Margarito Qualify for the Ring Belt if he Beats Mosley?

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  1. Jason997

    Jason997 Active Member Full Member

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    Is this a "Ring Championship" fight?
     
  2. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    its not a ring title fight from what I last heard, I think Golden Boy has alot to do with that though after all they own the magazine company and they promote Mosley after all the disrespect from Margarito I think Oscar is going to do what ever it takes to keep that title from Margarito, beleive me with Ring Magazine being owned by DLH look for that title to loss any and all credability.
     
  3. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    It fits into the criteria they set. He's #1, Cotto is #2 (already beat), Shane is #3, Clottey is #4 (already beat). Williams isn't even ranked @ 147 anymore, since he's a titleholder @ 154 and fought @ 160. They really have no competent reason NOT too award the winner the Ring belt. It makes them look bad IMHO.
     
  4. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    May as well be. Beating Sugar Shane would be enough for the title, if not I guess he would have to unify. He beat Clottey and is head and shoulders above Berto. Paul Williams will be fighting at MW and is unlikely to drop back down to WW in the same year if at all. Williams is going to hurt himself next time he tries to make the WW limit.
     
  5. Thread Stealer

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    A vacancy is filled by the #1 fighting #2, and in some cases, the #1 vs. the #3. This is not one of those cases where the Ring wants the #1 (Margarito) and #3 (Mosley) to decide the winner. If Golden Boy Promotions had their say in it, they'd probably want it to be for the Ring title. Mosley is the only GBP fighter high in the WW ratings and this gives GBP a chance at having the Ring title at 147. Margarito and Cotto are ranked #1 and #2 respectively and set to fight this summer anyway, if they win their next matches. So Top Rank will most likely have a Ring magazine welterweight champ anyway this summer.

    A GBP conspiracy to make this a non-title fight makes little sense in this instance. Making Margarito-Mosley a Ring Mag title fight is their best chance at having one of their guys with the belt.
     
  6. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    But it meets their criteria. Margarito already beat the #2, and #4. If the Ring cannot be consistent with their own rules, what's the point of having them.
     
  7. Thread Stealer

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    It has to be the #1 vs. #2, or in some cases, #1 vs. #3, going into the fight.

    Clottey was at the bottom of the top ten when Margarito beat him. That's like giving Wlad the HW Ring title because he beat Peter, who was later ranked #2, when Peter was ranked at the bottom of the top ten.

    Cotto and Margarito wasn't a #1 vs. #2 matchup going into it.

    Cotto was #1 and Tony was #4 (I think).
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    I wasn't suggesting his wins over them go retroactive, just that as of today, he's beaten those ranked fighters. And when he beats Shane, he'd have beaten those ranked as of today 2-4.

    I totally understand the part about Wlad, and I agree. But the rule is, 1 vs. 3 is enough by their own standards. Yet they refuse to acknowledge it. It meets their criteria and that is what should matter.
     
  9. box3r86

    box3r86 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    OK. Margarito lost to WBO Williams, beat IBF Cintron, beat WBA Cotto. However, He has never fought for the WBC belt and has a loss at this weight aswell as xlottey to clear up.

    Shane beat collazo which meanr jack and beat mayorga at 154 or 150 or somethin and that was shir and he jus won that.

    Margo move to 147 or are you too scared you skinny ****.
     
  10. Lance_Uppercut

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    :lol:
     
  11. Thread Stealer

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    The rules for filling a vacancy with the #1 vs. #3 rankings is in "some instances". The description is pretty vague.

    They've done it for fights like Vitali-Sanders and Calzaghe-Lacy, but not in this one.

    For someone earlier to suggest though this is a GBP conspiracy though, makes no sense. GBP would want it to be for the Ring title. If they don't, because they think Margarito is gonna beat Mosley and don't want Tony to have the title, well it's gonna go to a Top Rank fighter anyway this summer when Margarito and Cotto fight again (unless they think Cotto loses to Jennings).
     
  12. eze

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    The Ring doesn't want to award Margo the title because he beat the number #1(Cotto at the time) to become #1 and Mosley #3s most recent fight at 147 was a loss against Cotto #2. It wouldn't make sense to make that fight for the belt.


    With that being said. I don't see how Mosley is still ranked at 147 despite not having fought there for over a year.
     
  13. eze

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    http://www.thering-online.com/blog/...te_the_right_matchup_to_be_for_the_ring_belt/
     
  14. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Mosley is ranked because he has a name which is a trend in boxing.

    Why doesn't beating Cotto who was #1 at the time give you the belt? I think The Ring ****ed themselves with Cotto/Margarito because they thought Williams would come back so now they can't justify making Margarito/Mosley for the the title. Makes sense but it got messy with Paul Williams fighting in other divisions.
     
  15. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i guess margo/cotto will be for the belt...or on the VERY off chance mosley wins, mosley/cotto 2