Does Marquez Have A Better Skill Set Than Pacman?

Yeah, ...I was just shaking my head sadly and wondering just how a **** tomato can club fighter like Manny P ever got past preliminary status.atsch

 

BINGO!!!! This is why I'm a renegade of sorts in this (and all) boxing forums in not giving a damn about this fight coming up!! The cherry picking ******* Mayweather (I DO NOT like this Beiber-sucking *******) should have fought Pac right after he (Pac) destroyed Hatton...instead of waiting until Manny was safely past his peak.

 

^ lol excuses already built in.....one more time, FMJ will/would beat Pac at ANY weight at ANY time in their respective careers, roided or not, he is made to order.

 

Yeah 578 vs 39260 posts in roughly the same time span, now who is the oddball, teenager or beergut unemployed or govenrment employed internet junkie ?

 

I never said Pac is a bum , he just matches up well with certain fighters , any resembles of boxing and not just slugging has him struggling as very evident against the semi shot first Morales bout or 4 try out with JMM where he was put into a punch induced coma for ten minutes.......against a guy he should have figured out by now......in complete amateur fashion.....even when old washed up shot Leonard, Hagler or Duran wherre never ever laid out like that.

He is the product of great marketing using FMJ as a advertising tool , great selective match making at usual catch weights up or down and fanatical uninformed casual fans.

BTW, Roach would have never let Pac near a TRinidad time frame ODH.

 

'He's very reckless and he makes allot of mistakes' Floyd Mayweather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=924TDTeWDZA

Some it up pretty much.

He is basic in what he does and he does get by on athleticism, speed and stamina. That doesn't mean he isn't very good in that 1 dimension, but he's still pretty 1 dimensional and most of @sauhund IIs criticisms are correct. But he's still hard to fight as he has arguably the best straight left of any southpaw ever that's as fast as many fighters jabs. He has very fast footwork and very fast flurries. A good right hook. Decent flurries but a leaky defense.

Plenty of great fighters are 1 dimensional, they're just very good at 1 facet of boxing but not complete.

I agree with sauhund though I think it'll be pretty 1 sided.

 

Pac was at his best at 126-135 imo.An excellent fighter there.Not a technician, but some fighters don't have to be...a bit silly to say he was only effective against a certain style.By the second\third Morales fight and second Marquez bout he was more or less as seasoned and technically proficient as he was ever going to get anyway.

Above that, despite the great win against Cotto he doesn't do that much for me...neither does Marquez.

 

All depends on how you define skill, of course.

Marquez is more well schooled - has better text book skills, without a doubt. But Pac has fantastic natural ability. And not only speed and power. He's also got a remarkable ability to "flow" from one position to another in a way you can't teach a fighter.

But Pac's skills are more dependent on his physical ability than JMM's are, since they aren't text book in the same way.

 

I give him much more credit for his performance against DLH than most do, but his performance against Hatton was even more impressive. And the one against Margarito certainly wasn't bad. Clottey as well. All great performances IMO. It isn't easy outclassing much bigger opponents like that - hence why no one else beat any of them like that before or after.

Cotto is his best all things considered for me, though.

 

Hatton was garbage against him imo.Probably the worst title fight performance from a world class British fighter i've ever seen.He looked like the washed up Green against Leonard out there....just shuffled forward with his chin up, slow as treacle and offering nothing.

DLH was a pathetic shell of a fighter in that bout.Not remotely impressive to me.

The others, yeah in the context of Pac being a small Welter, really good wins and we were all impressed with him making that jump against Hatton then transitioning to an effective Welter back in the day, but when i'm saying i don' rate him that highly at this weight it's more in terms of thinking about him all-time, against the whole field.To me he's not a great fighter by any means at 147, but certainly a good solid one for a couple of years.Good enough as a great smaller fighter to take advantage of a weak era and have some notable success.

At the end of the day for me Clottey was a pretty ordinary fighter and so was the Marg he beat.I'ver never been a Cotto advocate but i consider that as a great win so give him plenty of credit for what he did.I just don't rate him that highly in an all-time sense at the weight, which considering where he moved up from is no great dismissal.