Does Mayweather have any weaknesses in the ring?

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  1. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    he has heart, it's just his hand injuries keep him from going all out sometimes. Look at the Castillo fight. Floyd ran to Castillo in the 11th and took the fight to him in the pocket. That's heart
     
  2. JDK

    JDK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definitely his reflexes have gone down. That is mostly due to aging and the transition to his current weight. I'm not saying they are bad, but they aren't what they used to be. This is the main reason why pacquiao might do well against mayweather. Pacquiao is in his prime whereas Mayweather is still good enough, but not in his prime anymore.
     
  3. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Well ortiz will test that chin again, trust me!
     
  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    pac seems to have deteriorated more than floyd. neither one is what they were 5 years ago physically.

    i dont know about weaknesses. is it a wakness to be more selective in your punches because you have brittle hands if it makes you a better boxer? is it a weakness to be very protective of your chin because you arent as durable if it makes you a better boxer?
     
  5. killa

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    I find it very juvenile that people here use the man's record as proof that Floyd is therefore 'perfect' and has no flaws. Sounds alot like the lame ass logic used back elementary school to argue why one superhero is better than the other.

    NO FIGHTER IS 100% PERFECT. Being unbeaten does not mean unbeatable or incapable of being beaten. That's buying into Floyd's logic as well as the logic of some stupid Marciano fans who claim he was unbeatable because he retired 49-0. Humans box and are inherintly flawed. Remarkable talent does not mean absence of flaws.

    Every style has it's flaws and styles that are it's cryptonite. Floyd's style(and yes he well versed in different aspects of the ring but he utlimately has a definable style which he typically falls into when comfortable) It takes a fighter of certain style coupled with certain key attributes to trouble him. He is bothered by speedy southpaws that use effective aggression(yes he adjusts but he is bothered enough to be forced to adjust), by a taller and bigger fighter fighting effectively behind a strong jab(DLH), by a strong, durable and persistant body puncher who is nearly impossible to discourage(Castillo). Hatton for all his flaws bothered Floyd by working in behind his jab. Everthing fell apart once he got frustrated with not being able to do much else.

    Technique and mechanics-wise, he is about as flawless as you will ever see. Sometimes his shoulder roll shell guard gets him hit more because there are certain styles it is not very effective against. Also an opponent must force him to up his punch output which can cause him to give away rounds from being outworked. Other than that he's a complete package.

    No fighter is perfect and unbeatable. Not Floyd nor Sugar Ray Robinson(who was beaten both by naturally bigger fighters like LaMotta, Turpin, and Fullmer, and by a guy naturally more his size in Basilio) It's childish to insinuate such a notion.
     
  6. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    they're not looking at his record, that does help of course, but it's the way he can adapt to different styles and beat fighters at their own game
     
  7. Leon

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    Did you just really call Williams who got his AZZ KO'd in only 2 rounds, and emmanuel slick southpaws?:patsch

    Those two are a disgrace to Sweet Pea and the rest of the slick southpaw team.
     
  8. Leon

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    I don't think anyone really enjoys dealing with speedy southpaws, taller and bigger fighters with authoritative jabs, and relentless body punchers.
     
  9. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :lol: exactly, who doesn't struggle with them. Mayweather is actually pretty good against southpaws relative to other top level boxers. Name me a fighter who doesn't have some trouble with them. I can only name a few
     
  10. killa

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    I'm referring to those ones who truly base their entire arguments on his record alone. He can adjust very well but there does not mean there is a chellange out there which he cannot deal with. It can be debated in theory until the cows come home but it won't be proven until that challenge meets him in the ring.
     
  11. killa

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    It answers the question though. He experiences problems matchup-wise like just about any other fighter. These are bad news ring matchups for anyone due to sheer logistics. The difference is he adjusts exceptionally well after a few rounds. Too many people use the tag of perfect without considering the full implication of just what that means.
     
  12. markclow

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    I hate FMJ (and his followers) with a passion but I am objective enough to say this, as this is the truth to me:

    He doesn't have many weakness. He has brilliant outside game, inside game (Hatton fight) and defense. He has a proven chin and will. He is arguably a slow starter but this is because (like Lennox) he figures out other fighters and adjusts.

    He is the only guy to make Pac look ordinary, through boxing skills.
     
  13. Kittikasem

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    :lol:

    Then he shamelessly ran like a ***** and absolutely stunk the place out for 12 rounds in the rematch. Was that "heart" as well?

    :patsch
     
  14. HitBattousai

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    Mayweather countered Mosley well with single-shots for the most part, and the occasional two punch combo. He didn't open up to any great extent, averaging about 39 punches per round, he was just very accurate with what he threw as usual. His combination punching hasn't been there for years, because Floyd doesn't want to take chances, otherwise he would have gotten Marquez out of there when they fought.
     
  15. TMalik

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    Mayweather has got hit with maybe 5 good shots from southpaws his whole career and that counts as struggling...okie.

    Any fighter can get hit with a good shot. The way it's mentioned, you woudl think the guy was KOed. But no, he just got hit with a good shot. The shot that Mosley threw, a lot of fighters would have went down from; it wasn't even flush on the chin, but it was very hard and in that spot behind the ear that screws with your equilibrium when messed with. Me myself, I couldn't believe he didnt go down. I also couldnt believe the way he dealt with the shot, he kept himself up, spaced his legs out for balance, went back to the ropes, stayed for a couple secs , cleared his head, and then started to throw again. And Shane's first shot that snuck through; who would have thought that quick to immediately wrap Shane's arm like that so he wouldn't throw again?

    The first Castillo fight can be debated when he had a torn rotator cuff, but the second there was no debate.

    I think his punch output depends on whatever his opponent is doing at the time. He seems to do whatever's enough to win and not put himself in too much danger. And while I do think that we may have missed out on some more "spectacular" endings to his fights because of his style, I don't consider it a weakness.

    Think you have to have a nice jab to beat him, along with some quickness. And a damn good boxing IQ...which therein lies the problem: When it comes to ring smarts...he's worlds apart from the other guy facing him in the opposite corner.

    Grant it though, this IS boxing, and sometimes...all you need are your fists and your heart to pull you through anything.