Does Mayweather in the 40's/50's accrue 10+ losses?

It's hard to say because he's talented and skilled, two things that are timeless. I'm not one that thinks Floyd was a coward, or any man who steps in to the ring for that matter, though I do believe he did bide his time and sometimes took easier fights. Not out of fear, but for why would give him the biggest paychecks. That being said another thing that was different was that there wasn't so many super and junior weight classes. Because of that he probably would have had to take more risk and fight more dangerous opponents to get himself in to bigger fights. I could he him picking up something closer to 5 losses or so, just because he would still be strategic as possible with match making and whatever marketing outlets he could use.

 

I agree here.

Another factor to consider is that he's famous for stacking the deck in his favour, whether by using his leverage to get opponents to weight drain themselves to oblivion (Alvarez) or waiting until opponents were shot (Pacquiao) or picking on woefully inexperienced competition (McGregor) or making sure that opponents wear the type of gloves that favour him (Maidana) or using his special post-fact-usada-approved "lucky IV" for a little added competitive advantage.

I'm not sure that it would have been so easy in those days when there were no ppv's and less money to be thrown around to bend the rules your way.

 

It would depend on how he was managed. He would definitely take some Ls. With his style Floyd would along the same lines as Burley or some of the other great boxers. He wouldn't have gotten a title shot and he wouldn't be worth a warm bucket of **** at the Gate. It was a different time. People wanted to see action and offense. Floyd would certainly be admired for his skills regardless of the era.

 

Indeed he has an entrepreneur's spirit.

 

If Floyd goes the same route as Henry Armstrong did, and under the same circumstances, then he definitely loses 10+ fights.

Floyd had 50 fights in 20 years. Only 2,5 fights per year.

Armstrong had 181 bouts in 14 years. That's 13 fights per year.

If Floyd has fought in 30s - 50s, he'd never had 5-6 months between his fights. He'd never had 3-month camps to prepare for certain opponent.

Back in the 40s, Armstrong went TWO 10-rounders in 3 weeks before Robinson fight!
He had hard 10-round fight just 11 days prior to his loss to Badou Jack
He lost his 1st fight to Zivic just 11 days after he defended his title against Furr.

It wasn't uncommon to fight 4-5 times per month.

As for Floyd being too careful to protect his '0' in that era? It won't happen. Floyd would've lost one of his earlier fights and since then he wouldn't have cared about his record; he'd fight the best opponents to make the biggest money possible at that time.

So I see Floyd having 150+ bouts in that era, definitely 100+ wins (maybe 130-140), and 10+ losses in a 15-year long career.

 

Yeah I think he'd lose at least that many in a career that wouldn't last nearly as long I can't see having a lot of success at welterweight back then, there were a bunch of beasts .

 

Worth a mention that he gets chewed up in the 80's as well by the fab 4 and others. I think it's almost laughable to imagine FM try and deal with that Hearns' jab and that power.

 

Floyd's career would go similar to Willie Pep. Similar style except Floyd had
hand problem's. Floyd would retire underdefeated. However extravagant
life style and tax problems would mean Floyd force to make comebacks
again and again. Floyd would probably end up losing about 5 x.

 

I don't see it that way ... Although both FM and Pep both had amazing defense it was totally different ..imo .. Pep had the best footwork I've ever seen. Although FM had good footwork too, his defense was more from his incredible blocking ability. To compare Pep and FM in the same sentence, just doesn't jive with me. Pep fought for 26 years and averaged a fight every 6 weeks!! That's just too hard core. Not to mention 7 years into his career, he survives a plane crash. Fractured leg, fractured back, basically in a full body cast, and then comes back to the big stage and fights for 20 more years every 6 weeks.. I'm sorry but FM is NO "Wil O the Wisp" ... and it's not even close.

 

By that standard (quantity of fights), does anyone in the past 50 years come close?

 

But on the other hand, could Pep have beaten all of the men Mayweather defeated? They basically started their careers fighting at the same weight (both men fought at 130 when they were 20-24 years old) but Mayweather ended up beating plenty of ranked welterweights and even some junior middleweights. For that matter, what were Pep's best 5-10 wins?

 

sorry just not following you??? Chavez had 115 fights? I was responded to a previous post that stated FM career would go similar to Pep's career.. and yes the biggest difference of anything to me would be 241 fights to 49 fights ... wouldn't you agree? That is not even in the same league to me .. unless I missed something from earlier .. I just got home

 

He beat Chalky Wright 3 times who had 153 wins, beat Jackie Wilson who had 100 wins, beat lefty who had 123 wins, beat saddler with 92 wins .. I mean those fights with Saddler are just legendary .. fights that will always be remembered and talked about .. I just don't see FM fights being remembered as much as most people think they might I guess. And I can never see a FM having 150+ fights in his resume with those brittle hands and just not being the hard core boxer compared to the old school guys.