Does Mike Tyson come into your TOP 10 Heavyweights of all time?

She should change her youtube handle to Miss-Informed.

 

Pretty good list.

Mine looks like this:

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Mike Tyson
4. George Foreman
5. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Frazier
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Jack Dempsey

If Wlad unifies and defends, he surpasses Lennox on my list.

I suspect Wlad will unify and try to surpass the Joe Louis record of 26 consecutive title defenses.

He's nearly half way there now.

If Wlad lowered the bar of competition and fought 5 times a year, like a Louis did, he could easily break that record.

 

If Tyson had stuck with Cayton & Rooney, doing '89 like he was supposed to in Cayton's planned World Tour, then i'd probably have him at #3 too.

 

hes was the most vicious sob around. yeah he was weak mentally, but, in his prime, he was a beast

 

I have him there mainly for his accomplishments in the first half of his career, and because I think, prime for prime, he beats everyone on the list below him.

Frazier would be his toughest fight, IMO.

 

Haha, that's funny. If Wlad lowered the bar of his competition any further he'd be fighting members of ESB.

 

HWT has so many storied legends so a top 10 is hard

1 and 2 are obvious. Ali and Louis are universally interchangeable

then you have long reigners and dominant guys like Holmes, Johnson, Dempsey, Tysons first reign, the Klitschkos

Then you have legendary classic guys like Sullivan, Corbett, Johnson, Dempsey, Liston, Marciano and such

other great fighters like Charles have held HWT belts

its so hard to rank guys especially since many classic guys like Sullivan DEmpsey and Marciano can now be labeled as undersized crude and largely forgotten

top 10 is always so tough

Ali
Louis
Holmes

then it gets tough

guys like Foreman Lewis Holyfield Dempsey Marciano start cropping up here

after them Tyson the Klitschkos Johnson Jeffries and Sullivan start to make their cases

i hate doing these lists

 

Fair enough points; my #9 ranking for him doesn't include H2H.

Interesting you pick Frazier as his toughest fight, i'd say he'd be one of the easiest for Iron Mike...

'70s Ali (of '71-'74 era) would be the stiffest test for Peak Tyson imo.

 

I made a post the other day with Norton at 13 I think. It's just impossible to get the right list in my mind and everyone else's.

He has arguably 3 wins over the greatest heavyweight of all time pushed a prime Holmes to his limits and beat jimmy young who was in pristine form and a very underrated fighter imo. No offence to Tyson but I think that alone is probably better than all off his wins together. Like I said earlier I heavily base my ratings on what their wins and accomplishments which is wrong of me I'll admit (i dont see being a young heavyweight champ that great of an accomplishment if it means your supposed prime years last for about 2 years)

On the Foreman matter I often change around him and Johnson at 3 and 4 and the same for Holmes and Lewis at 5 and 6. I just think it's incredible that
he swept the division in his 20s before his poor ring IQ against Ali lead too his downfall and then comeback and give the new breed of heavyweights a real run for their money and eventually win the world title back.

In Vitali's case I said he may end up filling that spot at the end of his career depending what he can do in the next couple of years, however that's pretty hypocritical of me as the main reason why vitali would rank highly is because of his H2H abilities.

I think I'll stick Liston at 10 as he's a solid bet too avoid controversy for now with Norton, Tyson, Dempsey, Bowe and Tunney filling 11-15 (in no particular order)

 

73 Foreman, 93 Holyfield (after the first Bowe loss as it showed him he needed to stick too a game plan to beat certain fighters) 80 Holmes, Bowe 92 and Lewis 98 aswell as 70s Ali are my best bets to beat Tyson. And too be fair Id pick Tokyo Douglas too beat Tyson at any stage of his career

 

What about the Vitali of the Lewis to Danny Williams fights

 

I think you could make a great case for Vitali too beat Tyson but seeing him against Lewis who was a much lesser version of his former self and not being able to finish him off really made me question how he'd do against the ATGs. If Viali can survive till round 7 then I think he'd win, but that being I think Vitali would try and take the fight too Tyson rather than boxing and smothering. I could see a savage war for 6 rounds with Vitali just being out gunned and TKOed if he tried stand toe to toe with Tyson.

 

Considering 16 of his last 25 fights have been against past/future world champions, 4 have been against Intercontinental/National Champions, several mandatory matches mixed in there also...Wlad is obviously taking on all comers.

Also, in the current Top 10, I'd rank like this:

Vitali Klitschko - Not an option
Alexander Povetkin - Ducking Wlad
Tomasz Adamek - Planning for 2012 fight
Alexander Dimitrenko - potential victim
Robert Helenius - Not ready for Wlad
Denis Boytsov - Missing in Action
Ruslan Chagaev - Past victim
Chris Arreola - likely for 2012
Kubrat Pulev - Not ready for Wlad
Tyson Fury - Managment conflict

 

1 - Ali
2 - Louis
3 - Tyson
4 - Holmes
5 - Johnson
6 - Marciano
7 - Foreman
8 - Holyfield
9 - Frazier
10 - Liston

 

ya but the competition is extremely poor, I mean he's fighting cruiserweights who fougnt one or two times at heavy. That's pathetic. it's not his fault but I've been watching boxing for over 40 years and I really can't recall a time when the division has been quite this weak.