Does Montell Griffin deserve credit for his win over Jones?

Of course I will see a difference. They are two different opponents, and two different styles. Let alone that Gonzalez was a young up and comer and Hill was fresh off a loss to DM. Those titles that Roy won were basically handed to him after they were wrongfully stripped from DM right after he beat Hill. Hell, right after Roy beat Hill, he was dropped by another southpaw in Lou Del Valle... was Jones washed up for just a second in that fight too? Fighters are not perfect, and they are all able to be beat... even in their prime.

That was a brutal body shot BTW. I always loved that body shot that Roy ended Hill with.

 

:deal on point sir...

 

No, Del Valle caught him. So what? This has nothing to do with anything and is a singular instance. Jones showed a decline in speed over a period of time from 2001 on.

And Jones didn't win a single one of DM's titles vacant AND he had his own title prior to DM being stripped. Not relevant anyways.

Don't try to make this either/or with me. It's a BS propostion. Just because a fighter loses doesn't mean he shot. On the other hand, just because he is still winning doesn't mean he is prime.

Hill's style has nothing whatsoever to do with Jones speed, reflexes, etc. I think you know that. You can simply watch his fights in succession and see a decline.

 

I agree completely with what I highlighted. I think the difference is that I don't believe that Roy was showing decline before he fought Tarver, and you do. Not really a big deal, we just disagree.

 

Fair enough.

 

Thanks for proving my point. It just shows that if allowed, Jones COULD fight exactly like he did right there. You can't act like he lost all of his speed, and reflexes... but can get them all back for a round or so every now and then. If he can do it, than he can do it... he shown in both the 2nd and 3rd fights, that if Tarver didn't bring the heat on him, at that he would look as he always did before. He was able to show his blazing speed, and reflexes... so obviously they were there.

 

We aren't going to convince eachother of anything different. No problems.:good

 

You'll Find The Answer To This Thread In The Rematch ...

 

I have all three on tape. BTW, I love the avatar. One of my favorite characters of all time. If HBO had a face, I would punch it in the mouth for dropping that series before the last season.

 

Hell No. He could have continued but knew he would have been KO'd. He took the easy way out and got what he deserved in the 2nd fight.