Does Monzon get less credit?

He gets as much credit he deserves for dominating a very good era of MW's. He rates very highly with most as well. I haven't seen many who would have him out of their top 20, many have him in their top 15 as well. I personally have him #18, nothing against him, just more do to with the fact that in a sport that has been going on over 120 years stretching from 8 to 17 weight classes, it's hard to rate too high when you're a one weight champ. #2 all time MW for me.

The whole deal where people from other countries blame their fighters not getting recognized for not being American is pretty lame. If you're a boxing fan, you know the boxers, regardless of where they reside.

 

Ironically, many of the top American fighters in a similar weight range were up a Lightheavy during the Golden Age of Lightheavies. Monzon never moved up....maybe because Galindez was already there.

Monzon was a great international fighter....a top 3 MW along with Greb and Hagler ( you pick the order) (I put SSR as the ATG welterweight)

 

Monzon is historically linked with Hagler, which causes the problem - the former fought all over the world during a very popular Heavyweight era while the latter fought against the darlings of the 80's during a weaker Heavyweight era.

All eyes were on the shaven skulled-one when he tangled with Duran, blasted Hearn's and did the tango with Leonard, whereas Monzon's consistent brilliance was somewhat buried underneath the booming Heavyweight scene.

It's to do with documentation - Hagler will always be revered more by the mainstream, but those who know of Monzon rightfully give him his due as one of the very best.

 

monzon was a beast. he knew me since i was a lil kid, my father was one of his best friends he used to train me when i was 6. i have him in my top 3 MW of all time with hagler and greb you can pick the order ,all three were awesome in different ways.he gets all the credit he deserves the things is that some people who claim to "know" about boxing dont know him.

 

Feel free to give us an inside perspective on the man, I'm very interested to hear it. Was he as bad as I think he is? Was his anger problem evident?

 

he was like a second father to me. i got to recognise that he was mean.with one look you already knew what he wanted to tell you not because he was a bad person but because he was so intimidating he had that look in his face that i already get used to because my father has the same look that if you look at him eye to eye you had to turn around quickly or you will **** in your pants let me tell you that.he didnt have an anger problem that was just when he was a little drunk.he was a very loveable person he used to teach me a lot of things besides boxing.i udes to live in the same hood that he used to live when he was young but he took us out of there because he didnt want his best friend(my father)keep living that way.so right now im leaving in a low middle class neigborhood thanks to him, men i loved that guy , every anniversary of his death i go to the gym and train all day and believing that one day i will be like him.

 

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Sure but its also a reason why he could be overestimated - to compensate for his lack of profile amongst contemporary fans.

 

A possibility if Monzon's career was shrouded in as much mystery as his personaility is, but if you want to learn about him, it's all there.

Monzon rightfully stands side-by-side Hagler as one of the very best, but technically, Monzon's extra defences and defeats of Benvenuti, Griffith, a peak Briscoe and Valdez should place him in a slightly higher echelon than Marvelous Marvin when directly compared.

Carlos is the most accomplished of all the Middleweights.

 

Don't worry about him, he's the resident 14yo.

 

Harry Greb.

 

Monzon suffers from lack of recognition probably because he didn't fight like he would die in order to win, like the impression you got when you saw Hagler or Robinson or heard about with Greb. He fought as hard as he needed to, what I call the european style. That is kind of a dated idea now, but back then the term meant something. He didn't like slugests, had no real defining fight, and could be a little boring to watch.

Maybe it's only us Americans who have a problem acknowledging him.

 

Yeah, my bull****-meter just broke.

Off the ****in' charts!