Does Monzon get less credit?

i dont give a **** if u dont believe what i said ,i was just telling pat_lowe ,it wasnt for u *****.

 

Thanks for clearing that up, it just became even more apparent.

 

Yes, absolutely. Furthermore, I think Monzon already tends to get less credit because he was a non-American who didn't speak English and hardly ever fought in America. People just don't see what he did as significant, because the fights weren't built up into major American television events, and he was hardly ever seen or interviewed on American television.

 

I don't think so

Monzon gets a lot of credit from fans. I see him rated number 1 and 2 and middleweight quite a bit. If people give him less credit because his best wins were against non-Americans, they are idiots.

 

Carlos Monzon has gotten a bum deal over the years by so called "experts" and less than knowledgeable fans because:
1. He spoke no English.
2. He retired in 1977, before many boxing fans were born.
3. He fought mainly in Europe and South America.
4. His style, admittedly, wasn't as exciting as say, Roberto Duran, Tommy Hearns or Ray leonard. He was subtle rather than flashy.
5. There isn't as much video available on him as on more latter day stars.
6. Monzon's opposition is underestimated.
Of all these reasons, I'd say that #6 is most interesting, in that many boxing fans, particularly the younger ones, don't understand that Monzon's rather subtle, understated and very efficient boxing style, when combined with a highly developed boxing brain, is ultimately far more effective and lethal than the spectacular, flashy styles of the "gifted" performers, who, in many cases, eventually lose their "gifts", and have no foundation of ring brains, or generalship, and fundamental skills to fall back on. Such intangibles, like being a proven 15 round fighter, and mental toughness as well as physical toughness to go with the knowledge of when to execute a simple one-two punch, instead of a "shoeshine" flurry, with all the bells and whistles and flashiness, that so many superficially talented fighters commonly do. I'd say that in the days of the 15 round title limit, with his cold, calculating, debilitating style, where he would, through an inner mental toughness, and an almost arrogant "I can't be beaten" coolness, and knowing just when to box and when to throw that big right hand, Monzon was one of the few unbeatable champions, an elite among elites, with a style not appreciated by fans who don't understand the subtlties of boxing.

 

Good post.

I'd have to say that Monzon was the only boxer I ever watched who didn't just think he was going to win, but rather he "knew" he was going to win. I don't know if you know what I'm saying because it's rather indescribable. He just... emanated a different sort of confidence from everyone else.

 

Greb was half blind and way past his prime when he lost to Tiger Flowers, that is common knowledge(at least among Greb enthusiasts).

In his prime, at MW, Greb 's style is a damn near impossible one to nail down and figure out. Anyways, I rank Greb at the top because of his resume, not so much his head to head ability, though based on head to head you could argue it as well.

 

Monzon had a "I can't believe you're even challenging me" attitude and was one of the smartest fighters I've ever seen.

 

He doesn't get the credit because the best guy he beat was nowhere near the class of the destructive behemoth that was Tony Tucker. :hi:

 

Are you questioning my rating of Tony Bugner, er, Tucker.

 

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