Does muscles have anything to do with how hard you punch?

What I know is: application of all the equations 'n physics in the world can't turn an ordinary puncher into an eraser. What adds up on paper is not the magic bullet.

 

No, it absolutely is not. You are misunderstanding what "strength" means to a boxer. You're also missing the point 2/3 of the posters here have been making.

 

That's because boxing trainers are generally not very intelligent or open to new ideas.
You have a guy with little muscle, a highly tuned nervous system and you have a guy who has a high strength to weight ratio. A bit of speed and good technique and you have a monstorous puncher right there. There are many different aspects where a weak link can cause someone to lack power, someone who understands the body and the nervous system and knows what to look for can make a puncher.
Plyometrics, mental stimulation before completing various exercises with plenty of recovery to allow the CNS to adapt. Combine it with boxing training without interfering with the adaptation from the different types of training.
It's an art, but first you have to know the science. Most boxing trainers have no idea, they just do what everybody else does 'just because' and to explain differences between people they say things like "oh this guy is a natural this and that".
That's not how it works, fundamental movements learned as a child and psychological temperament play a big part on ability and how the nervous system develops. Everything has an origin that it is built upon. Nothing is 'natural' that's the crutch for the intellectually lazy and unintelligent.
Boxing isn't a sport that generally attracts intelligent people to be involved in, I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there who've never trained a boxer before who could do a better job of maximising a fighters potential than veteran coaches. Boxing coaches should train boxing skills, they're ****ing clueless when it comes to preparing the body.

 

Obviously an equation isn't going to take in all the different aspects that make a puncher but that equation is still fact. If the equation isn't matching up to what you expect in real life then there is another factor you're not looking at. You take responsibility for that and you start searching for the answer, the science isn't wrong. You don't just throw your hands up in the air and claim it doesn't work. You look at your individual and if you have the knowledge and awareness you'll see what the weak link is.
Your attitude is laziness.
Oh and of course there is no magical bullet, things aren't simple like that. Just like the saying 'Punchers are born, not made'. Simplistic, inaccurate garbage.

 

Twitch type is overstated and can be changed to a degree, strength is primarily nervous system adaptations at the beginning of training and at the higher end. Muscle mass helps to an extent which is why powerlifters are large but when speed and weight classes are involved it's an issue.
Power is strength combined with speed, having a good strength to weight ratio is important, extra mass will only take away power if any speed is lost.
A punch is a quick motion, you're applying force at about 30% of your max strength. Training to be strong as possible, as quick as possible like in an olympic lift is the same principle as in boxing. You can lift all the weight in the world but if you can't apply any of it quickly enough it's useless.
So many people don't even understand the difference between power and strength, it's unbelievable.

 

A certain type of muscles. Most heavyweights don't really look all bulky like those bodybuilders because bodybuilder muscles are for showing off,and boxing muscles are for practical use in hand to hand combat. You lose flexibility if you're too bulky. Also,you're arms would fell extra tired and sluggish if you trained them like a bodybuilder for a fight.

 

Spend a lifetime in the gym, l. Then see what you learn from on-the-job experience. You might change your tune.

 

Closed mind :verysad May as well be in the grave already.

 

You actually show some wisdom here.

There are those here who despise others who have scientific knowledge, and can understand things they can't. They merely insult them instead of compliment them.

And I am talking about what you might call concrete matters here.

Re boxing power, or KO power, it may be more involved than it first seems. While issues of momentum (mass X velocity) or Force (mass X acceleration) or impulse (Force X time interval to absorb a punch) seem simple, there is more involved. With perhaps impulse being the most relevant to this discussion.

For example, just what mass do we use in an Eq?
The mass of the fist, the whole arm? What about a puncher who is moving his whole body towards the opponent? (Tyson or Frazier when he KDed Ali.) Or who may even be jumping or flying into his opponent when it lands. Like Patterson vs Johannsen. It seems then the mass in Eqs might be the whole body or a good part of it.

Of course this can now be worked backwards as follows.

Suppose we have a recording device that is punched. ANd this might even be a regular weight scale that is placed on a wall.

A radar gun could find the speed of your punch at impact.
The you could use those 2 factors to calculate the effective mass
that was apparently used in the punch.

Experiments even have found the max power vs best distance of a punch or strike, and found maxpower was not at max extension but IIRC was at 75% of arm extension.

This stuff has been in Physics Journal articles--both from the exp and theoretical POV--over the last several decades (and prob much longer) .

And while such articles can never replace "on the job" training, they can indeed provide insight and even new ideas. And can make for quicker or better training and better boxers, if utilized appropriately.

 

Call spending a lifetime in the gym working tirelessly to maximize every boxer's gifts being close-minded, l?

What ya learn is: With all the coaching in the world, ya can't make a world-class sprinter 'less he's lightening fast from day one.

 

Reading this makes my eyes glaze over. Remember as part of the build-up for an SRR fight, they had a heavy bag that measured punching power. SRR's opponent hit it with a left hook, then Robby.

The opponent scored higher. Sugar's response was: "He beat the machine. Let's see what he can do with me"

After takin' a left hook in the first round, Sugar countered with his own left hook, flattening him.

 

first thing that came to my mind when i read the title. :yep

 

Theres that vid with 150lb Lucia Rijker using perfect form and leverage punching harder than most men. Its those little things like form that get overlooked that have immense results.

 

And reading that typical response did not make my eyes glaze over or have any reaction at all.

Because my post was about the thread title and was about punch power, and was not about prime SRR being the GOAT or being able to KO someone before the same was done to him. Or excuses not to learn or think.

In some sports like running much science is used more and more to maximize someone's ability and results.

In boxing, some obviously would like to project their own limitations or aversions (science) onto everyone.

 

Ntot necessarily. Take Corrie Sanders for example - wicked arm puncher.