Does Ngannou have a glass jaw?

You have to look for guys with more than 20 loses to find AJ KOing someone faster.

Joyce took Zhang's beating. It was the doctor who stopped the fight, not Joyce's chin. And yes, the second fight was different, as I said, once you take a beating like that, your chin is never the same.

Reality is quite stubborn, ngannou's chin is average at best. Not even above average. Somewhere between glass and plain average, closer to plain average. I could say that, since he has retired, it is is a pity that we will not see that confirmed with another 5 minutes on the canvas and another oxygen mask, but the truth is that I dont think like that because I don't want anything bad happening in the ring.

 

Faster is a question of styles, opportunity/luck more than a hard fact of anything.

In this case, the fact that Francis didn't roll with the punches at all makes them effectively harder - it doesn't mean his chin is weaker.

I disagree.

It's not granite, but it's still above average going by his MMA career and the fact he was able to take ANY power punches without rolling with them at all.

As you say, now he's retired we'll probably never know what his chin is like AFTER that punch, let alone before it... There's no mountain of evidence that it's weak, and plenty of decent evidence from MMA that it's pretty good - he just lacks the technique and experience to transfer it to boxing to the level it should've been capable of.

 

If you are going to troll put some effort in.

 

Faster is more a question of chin than a question of styles, whether you like it or not.

Another unbeliavable chin in mcgregor was put to sleep by a 40 yo britle handed floyd fighting sloppy. Maybe the problem is that MMA is mostly about hype. It could be.

We better agree on disagree.

 

If you want to put it that strongly... No, it's absolutely ****ing not ("whether you like it or not").

Faster is about how quickly you can size up an opponent, and either judge/time an opening for a power punch OR create that opening yourself.

In other words, style is very much relevant.

Whether that power punch puts them down or not is a question of chin Vs power (how solid the chin is and how much power the puncher has AND how heavily they commit to it).

Chin is only one factor in the equation.

Or it's about more than just chin.

Fine by me

In any case, disagreements are just as interesting for other people reading (hopefully) that's the whole point of discussion boards - it's probably time other people had a go

 

It's not that Ngannou has a weak chin, it's just that boxers hit harder than MMA fighters.

Remember that boxing gloves are more cushioned than MMA gloves, meaning that boxers can punch as hard as they can without worrying about hurting their hands, and they cover a larger surface area.

 

No human alive takes that final right hand from joshua

 

I'm sure that Tyson fury disagress with you. As well as Andi Ruiz and Usyk. Stupid assertion. AJ is not even the hardest puncher in the division. Not even the second hardest puncher in the division. The discussion would start at 3rd position, if any.

 

If they were stupid/unlucky enough to take it flush like that?

Yes, they go down - straight up realism.

The reality is, though, that Usyk is too hard to time, Fury rolls with punches too well and Ruiz offered too much threat for Joshua to risk committing to a punch that hard.

 

Fury was stupid enough to take harder punches from a harder puncher and woke up. Like the undertaker.

Andi ruiz directly made AJ quit like a *****.

Saying that this is "the hardest right hand you will ever see" is plain stupid. AJ is a decent to good puncher, but he is not even close to be the hardest puncher in the divison.

 

Fury gassed and got hit by an assumed harder puncher who made his reputation for brutal KO power by knocking out static cans...

It's a leap to assume those were harder punches OR that Wilder is the harder puncher, let alone both at the same time - albeit these are assumptions that lots of casuals and hardcore Wilder fans encourage.

The recovery was most definitely impressive, though.

And which part of that doesn't fit with "Ruiz offered too much threat for Joshua to risk committing to a punch that hard.", exactly?

Ruiz fought well in #1, and Joshua didn't risk committing to anything like that punch in #2 - he went in safety first to get his belts back and GTFO there.

I didn't say it... And yes, hyperbole often is...

That doesn't change that it'd put down pretty much anyone if they were stupid enough to take it as flush as Francis did.

We just don't know that - he's knocked out plenty of decent fighters, which means his power is clearly above average.

The difficulty is that the other big punchers in the division have either knocked out 99% cans (Wilder) or only knocked out one contender (Zhang, Joyce)...

We just don't know who actually hits hardest - and we probably never will because of their styles and how willing they are to fully commit to their punches under actual fight conditions.

Of course, if you find it simpler to latch onto Wilder mythology than admit we just don't know who actually hits hardest, you carry on - I won't/can't stop you.

 

Too long sorry. Didnt read.

That guy said that nobody could take that right hand and I said that it is not true.

Then you said blahblahblah. OK. I'm not going to engage in a stupid discusion about something that I consider extemely obvious, sorry.

 

Carry on - I'll agree to disagree.

If you're not able to read opposing thoughts and think for yourself, that's not my problem.

 

Im sure he does believe it, he believes a lot of things I don't. Your logic means nothing, he never landed that right hand he did on ngannou to any of the fighters you mention. If he was able to their fate would be the same as Ngannou's was. I never said AJ is the hardest hitter, I never said he is capable of landing that right hand that way in any if them. My point still is anyone who gets hit with that final punch ngannou did goes to sleep.

 

Nah, Franny Nanny hasn't got a glass jaw. It's decent enough but didn't stand up to 3 powerful shots from AJ.

He got caught as clean as can be and simply didn't take any of the sting out of those shots with instinctive head movement. (?)

There's not many heavyweights around today that would have took those shots as clean as that and still been on their feet.

It's almost like teeing off on another bloke, or sucker punching impact.