Does Oleksandr Usyk defeat the top 10 heavyweights?

1) Ali - No
2) Louis - Possibly
3) Lewis - Possibly
4) Holmes - Yes
5) W. Klitschko - Yes
6) Foreman - No
7) Frazier - Maybe
8) Tyson - Maybe
9) Liston - Yes
10) Marciano - Probably

Might change a few opinions after Saturday but rn I think he could beat Wlad (He got kicked out of Wlad's gym after giving a whooping in a sparring session), Holmes (Holmes lost his first to Spinks based on managing the distance and Usyk has better footwork), Liston (Same reason as Wlad). I think prime Ali has better timing and Foreman might be too strong for him. Maybe overall he would end up 50/50

 

As a Heavyweight, so far he’s outpointed AJ and Chisora and stopped the limited Chaz Witherspoon. And against Witherspoon and Chisora he didn’t look great. Against Joshua though he stepped it up and looked the real deal. So it’s far, far too early for me to judge what he would do against the top 10 ATG heavyweights.

What I can say though is that physically he’s no slouch: good size, solid chin, great movement, good footwork, fast hands. (Sounds like I could be describing a certain young guy from Louisville!)
Plus he’s a southpaw…that’s always a tricky weapon to have in your armoury.

Potentially he would be a handful for most…but until I see a few more heavyweight fights from him against other top heavies I’ll reserve full judgement.

 

This is missing the point a bit: at cruiserweight he’d still be bigger than many of the historic boxing champions. No need to judge him on the couple of fights he’s had not cutting weight. You can’t think of him fighting Louis, Dempsey and Marciano because he’s only fought at heavyweight twice? Makes little to no sense when you can simply transpose the cruiserweight version in and he wouldn’t be undersized. Him not cutting 20lbs doesn’t change much, just makes him even heavier against those guys.

 

Yep you’re right. I forget how small some of the top 10 ATGs were. I was thinking the ATGs were all SHWs for a minute, haha. which of course they weren’t. Point taken.

 

for the sake of Boxing, I hope AJ beats him good & stops him, Boxing History needs this and the Fans NEED AJ vs. FURY!

there is NO Other fight worth the history.

 

As I posted in another thread it's okay to get excited about a fighters performance against the champ, that means dethroning him but let's not get ahead of ourselves, we said the same thing about Andy Ruiz when he too defeated Anthony Joshua for the title only to get egg on our faces when Joshua reclaimed the title from Ruiz. It's better to wait and see the outcome of the anticipated rematch against Joshua. We need to settle down before giving him the crown proclaiming him the greatest of all time. Usyk needs to earn his stripes first before that proclamation can be made, the others before him did.

 

Uysk is good enough retire Fury. Tyson doesn't want to be embarrassed.

 

I really don't like doing comparisons between era's in boxing. I have so much respect for the earlier champions and what they did for the sport it simply doesn't feel right especially since hypothetical matchups are just that.

I know a lot of folks on the classic forum don't post in general or even really know much about Uysk other than his win over Joshua but a lot of folks on general myself included have been following this guy since his amateur days. Uysk had an extremely long amateur career and was a guy that who wasn't even sure if he wanted to ever go pro. He won every title that he possibly could as an amateur and ended his amateur career at an incredible 335−15 record. As a pro he wasted no time blowing through the toughest ever cruiserweight division and won all four belts. The man went into other champions own backyard let them pick the ring size and beat them just like he did against Joshua last year. Regardless of what happens today, this 35 year old heavyweight champion has already done so much in this sport but his biggest issue is while there are very good fighters these days, the sport simply isn't popular or mainstream. a lot of people are looking at him as a new fighter or somehow subpar. They never heard of the guys he beat at Cruiserweight and don't understand how many truly difficult fighters he has fought and beat at this point.

 

The fans need to see the best fight possible, which is clearly not Fury vs. AJ, a complete mismatch.

 

I would suggest there are few people on this board that are rating Usyk highly as a H2H proposition simply for beating AJ. His legacy was already made prior to it, and there’s an argument to be made that Briedis and Gassiev were similarly tricky propositions for him. Only big boy bias is making people think AJ is the best win of Usyk’s career or the only important indicator of his quality. Simply not true and if Usyk wins the rematch it’s likely it tells us very little we didn’t know before.

 

Everyone’s all over Fury’s nuts but Usyk is the real goat HW of this generation. It’s a shame Fury will probably never fight him. That being said he gives all the top ten problems…that’s how good I think he is. Would like to see Fury fight but I doubt it happens. He will most likely beat AJ tonight then we will see.

 

The man has had nineteen pro fights, in my opinion barely edged Chisora , decisions a tentative, post expiration date mentally AJ and now he's an all time great that beats Larry Holmes .. interesting. Yes he's a tricky guy but I say slow it down a bit here ..Off the top of my head he does not beat Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, either Klitschko from the modern era .. he may be tricky for Foreman style wise .. after that I'll keep mulling it .

 

Considering he ‘barely edged Chisora’ in your opinion I couldn’t care less about anything else you have to say as it’s clear you don’t really have a clue what you’re watching.

 

says a third rate turd from the GF.

 

It's really annoying how little a modern fighter has to do to be compared favorably to true legends. So desperate for evidence in fact they bring up the amateurs (and now sparring!) as if any of those prove anything.