Does Oscar De La Hoya now have a thing for lose/lose scenarios?

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  1. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    Oscar has chosen to fight Mayweather, Forbes, & Pacquiao in his last 3 fights. Noone thought he had a chance to beat Mayweather and they predicted a boring fight, both of which essentially came true in a very dissappointing PPV that was the biggest PPV card ever. Noone had the slightest interest in the Forbes fight, and despite the fact that he won, he came off looking bad for taking so many pop shots. So while he won that fight, people focused on the fact that he didn't look that good. All of this was in preparation for a sequel to the Mayweather fight that critics had even less interest in than the first one.

    And then he chose to fight Pacquiao, who people didn't think had a chance of winning and Oscar was now chastized for picking on little boxers. If he had won, it would probably have been written off as him winning against a naturally much smaller boxer. But he lost to Pacquaio and people chastized him for losing badly and quitting. Now it seems like he might be trying to fight JCC Jr, and if he beats him, he'll simply add to the negativity still beared against him for beating JCC. It also will be viewed as a win against a low caliber/average opponenent/unproven. And if he loses, then he's lost and some people will see it as revenge for his vicious beating of JCC, and add it onto the already skyscraper high amount of reasons why he should retire.

    Why is Oscar choosing these lose/lose scenarios? Is it bad decision making, or is it just for the money, or both?
     
  2. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oscar can still make a fight with titlest like Mora. He doesn't have to fight someone like Chavez Jr. I don't know what's going on in GB headqaurters. We should ask Prescott to write another play and tell us about it.
     
  3. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mora's no Titlest - he's garbage.

    Oscar should call it a day and promote. I understand wanting to go out with a win and believes that he'll do better around 154lbs - but what's the reason. We all know it's not money - so he needs to let that fire within him go out. Hate seeing good figher still around too long.
     
  4. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    uhhhh yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. Otherwise, his last fight would have been a Cotto or Margarito to maintain legitimacy, not a Manny Pacquaio.
     
  5. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    DLH IS GARBAGE!!! he was never good....
     
  6. levluger

    levluger Active Member Full Member

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    Never was a fan of DLH, but he did have some great years. IMO it's time to hang em up. There are no more worth while fights for the golden boy.
     
  7. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    What the **** are you on?
     
  8. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see how you can call a $30 millon payday a losing scenario. He is making business decisions at this point. Trying to make as much money as possible.
     
  9. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a combination of factors. He has a great resume, a literal "Who's Who" of boxing, but I know de la Hoya better than Joel does, and even I am mystified at some of his horrid matchmaking through the years. Lets take a look.

    1. Up to 1996, his matchmaking was fine.

    2. In 1996, he made the mistake of a Career by electing to fight the Patron Saint of Mexico, instead of the legitimate Champion at jr. Welters, Kostya. I feel that the 1996 DLH would have beaten Tszyu.

    3. In 1997, he elected to fight Hector Camacho Sr, who Chavez had already exposed and who like Chavez, primed out in the 80's. He also fought Charpentier that year. Dumb.

    4. In 1998, he again pissed in the face of Mexico by further beating an even older Chavez at an unnatural weight class. No Class de la Hoya, is what I call his ass.

    5. 99 were good choices, except when he got outboxed by Trinidad, he should have DEMANDED Revenge in a fast, megabucks rematch, that could have easily happened 7 months later, on Cinco de Mayo. He instead chose the dangerous Shane Mosley and got his ass kicked twice.

    Castijello was a bad choice for a Paper WBC Title, as was Darrel "Who?" Coley, and Oba Carr, earlier. Yori Boy was a further insult to the intelligence of Boxing Fans.

    6. Great choices in opponents were Vargas, and especially Mayorga, custom made for Oscar and with World Titles to boot. And Trinidad damaged as well!!!

    7. Bernard Hopkins was a Brainfart, on the part of Oscar and his entire team and Family. Although I'll give him some credit, by the end of the 4th, I was getting REAL nervous that if he lasted 12, and Borenard didnt start picking up the pace, that the Nightmarish Scenario of Oscar as Undisputed Champ was going to happen, via bad decision.

    8. Baby Floyd was a great choice, but not demanding an INSTANT rematch in September of that year was beyond cowardly and idiotic.

    9. Forbes was a dumb choice, and Manny Pac? The dumbest career move in DLH's history.

    10. JC Superstar Jr. at this point is a Brilliant Move that will guarantee AT LEAST 1 million PPV buys at 54.95, with a **** undercard!:hi:
     
  10. wvucheerjr

    wvucheerjr Active Member Full Member

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    I agree, the decision against Mayweather could have gone either way and I think for a brief moment Oscar looked great when everyone thought he'd get demolished. I know he took rematches with Chavez (though that didn't take much courage at JCC's age) and Mosley (though Oscar probably thought he'd do better at 154 than he did at 147) but I think not demanding immediate rematches against Felix and Floyd keeps him from being a great champion. A great champion always gets his rematch (i.e. Lewis against McCall and Rahman). Point in case, JCC was seen in decline after not going after a rematch with Whittaker (although he did against Randall)
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lets make it clear here that DLH was somewhat competitive vs Mayweather because the fight was at 154 lbs and Mayweather is far from being a 154 lbs fighter........I dont believe at the time Mayweather even walked around as a Welter.......he had to strenghth train to get there.

    Had the Mayweather-DLH fight been at 147 lbs, I have no doubt it would have turned out even more embarrasing for DLH than the Pac fight.
     
  12. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    Seriously, you should be banned for the stupidity of this post alone.
     
  13. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    ODLH needs to retire..... maybe fight one last time in a farewell fight, then retire on a win.
     
  14. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Surel DLH doesn't need the money, he's gotta be pretty effing rich already.
     
  15. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Choosing to fight Pacquiao was dumb, choosing to come into the ring at 147 was unforgivably ******ed.