Does Pac get credit for beating a top black fighter?

so you disagree clottey? Clottey has an African American Style? Clottey has an African Style just like Ouma and Quartay.

Its a diffrence between these guys vs Mosley, Mayweather, Bradley.

wouldnt you say?

 

God I hope not.:-( A Margo fight would be a disaster and Pac would get **** for it. Valero I think would be a great fight but Valero is a poor man's Pac IMO.

 

Does he need to? People act like it's a requirement **** he fought Barrera twice, Morales thrice, Cotto, DLH, Hatton, and Marquez twice that's a pretty good resume. Albeit they're mostly Latinos but what should matter is if they are good fighters and all of the above are.

 

Yes if you want to see him fight th best and at the weights he's at now. Bradley, Alexander, PBF and Mosley happen to be the best just like MAB, EM and JMM were the best when Pac fought at the lower weights.

 

yeah his resume is ridiculously awesome.

and i agree that margo is a bull**** fight. **** margo, despite the wonderful ass kicking he'd receive, he doesn't deserve the fight or the money.

pac needs to fight mayweather or bradley: that's it

 

Has Pac spent the majority of his career above or below lightweight?

Were the best fighters in those weight divisions African American or Mexican?

When he fought Hatton at light welter was Hatton considered the best 140 pounder at the time or was it an African American fighter?

As for Mosley and Floyd, it'll happen, give it time.

 

I already addressed that in an earlier post.

 

I would say yes to Mosley & PBF and no to Alexander & Bradley because they are still young in their careers and should fight each other. Pac ruined his chance to make PBF-Manny and can retire if he wants to so again he doesn't need to fight black fighters unless he continues to fight. Fighting Marg would be a bs fight no matter how entertaining that would be.

 

I would say Mayweather or Mosley since Bradley's a 140 pounder plus young in his career and should just fight Alexander.

 

Man, I am so sick of this stupid racist ****! Clottey is a black fighter but he is not a slick boxer that many people think would give manny some trouble. I love manny but he look so great last night because Clottey stood there and covered up. Pauliee maliniaggi would gie him more trouble then JC did last night. Lot of skill, no game plan and no heart . . . probably the most disappointing display of boxing I can remember

 

good point on bradley-alexander. a month ago i wouldn't have agreed but after devon's performance, that the real fight to determine the best 140 pounder in the world (pac is any weight class he wants, not just one). the winner makes a viable opponent

 

Then you know if he's only recently moved up to the weights you are talking about (140 and 147) then it's unfair to expect him to have already fought the best (and Hatton WAS considered the best at 140 by the way). Since that time he's had two fights. Okay he could've faced Mosley instead of Cotto but that's being very picky, and Cotto had already beaten Mosley.

If Pac had been campaigning at 140/147 for the last 5 years and had a chance to fight Mosley and Floyd but still hadn't done so, then your arguement would have been valid. Face it, your standards for Pac are out of this world high.

 

ok lets review...

pac didnt fight tim bradley or the recognized champ in the division nate campbell..he seeks out david diaz..you cant tell me if thats not steering


berto has not had the chance to fight him - rest assured it wont happen

williams - because a guy is the most avoided is no excuse - you cant take other worldy praise and still act ordinary when it comes to matchmaking.

zab judah - while i dont believe he will get credit - its clearly a tougher fight than clottey just based off offensive arsenal or the two in question


alexander - again hes is available right now - rest assured it wont happen.

i brought these names up as examples of fighters pac man at this point will probably avoid. i dont say this to say he will lose to all these fighters. i bring this point to task because the perception is he has been reluctant to face boxers of a certain talent. everyone knows latinos are great fighters. but pac has enjoyed the edge is manueverability in almost all these matches. and that is the one thing he will lose in matching up against these so called "black" boxers.

side note - i understand the lower weight classes dont have a large amount of "black" boxers..but as he has moved up he has had more than ample opportunity to engage and has chosen to stay in his lane. and for that his detractors have a point.

 

Actually, that's not entirely accurate. Shane is the only fighter of the aforementioned fighters that has a completely different style. Shane is a REALLY FAST BRAWLER that can box when he wants to. As for Black American fighters throughout history (well let's stay within the past generation of Black American Fighters) Leonard, Hearns, Whitaker, Winky Wright, Roy Jones to the Black American fighters of today Floyd, Bradley, Alexander, Paul Williams, Danny Jacobs, Mike Jones, Antwone Smith, Hylon Williams and so on & so on.

All of these fighters have the same stylistic skill-set Although their tactics and discipline maybe different. Example: Floyd is a defensive first Boxer who loves to counterpunch, Alexander is your prototype Boxer with Fast-Striking Jab followed by combinations and Bradley is a hybrid of both with a willingness to engage and a high work-rate. Yet All have the Ability and a fantastic skill-set of Great Head & Foot-movement, an ability to use the ring, excellent defense (meaning the ability to elude & evade punches). And obvious I am talking about "Smaller-Weight Black American Fighters" (not heavyweights).

NO Black American fighter would have ever done anything closed to what Clottey did last night. Now obviously there will always be a list of exceptions: Marvin Hagler was more of a Brawler, so was Julian Jackson (but he was from the caribbean...I don't know if that means anything) as well as a few other fighters.

The fact is this...Here in the US, especially in urban areas Philly, DC, Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, Cleveland, Houston, Atlanta & other "urban areas"...Black Americans Kids are taught how to be a BOXER first. Slick Style, Jabs, Head and Foot-movements...etc. The ones who have Pure Power are encourage to become Brawlers that can Box when needed...(Iran Barkley, Hagler, McClellan...etc).

So for you...And others who cannot or just didn't know or understand...THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK AMERICAN FIGHTERS AND FIGHTER FROM AFRICA!!!!

 

Okay I'll give you Campbell.

As for Williams, I would love for Pac to fight him but it's not like Pac is avoiding him or anything. Williams isn't even fighting at 147 at the moment.

The others, there is no point now because only one fight makes sense right now which is the winner of Mosley Floyd. If say, he'd moved down to 140 to take on Bradley instead of Clottey he still wouldn't get credit. People would say he moved down to pick on the smaller guys instead of staying at 147.