Does Pac get the credit he deserves for fighting odlh?

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  1. LastQuark

    LastQuark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you want to know exactly what happened that night, just have a read.

    ...Before the fight:

    Pacquiao reneged on the Golden Boy deal after also signing with rival promoter left a bad taste in De La Hoya's mouth. He viewed what Pacquiao did as a betrayal, which serves as one of the many intriguing story lines surrounding the fight. The incident, De La Hoya says, has made the fight personal for him.

    "It's very personal for me," De La Hoya said. "That moment there is what makes it personal, because I don't want him to be talking about honor and how he's honorable and this and that. No, he didn't honor me that night, so I'm not going to honor him come Saturday."
    - Oscar de la Hoya

    ...After the fight:

    "You have these kind of nights and you have to learn to suck it up," said Dundee. "De La Hoya gave it all he had. I'm grateful for what De La Hoya did for boxing. He gave it a hell of a shot. Two great fighters fighting one another. It's too bad one had to lose.
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    De La Hoya was ready to beat Pacman. He had all the answers and preparation. But the best-laid plans go bye-bye."
    - Angelo Dundee 12/7/2008

    “Pacquiao is good, there’s no doubt about it,” De La Hoya said. “And he’s fast. I thought there were 10 of him in there. I’m looking here and he’s over there. And I’m reacting to a punch from this way and there’s another coming at me from that way". - Oscar De La Hoya 9/16/09
     
  2. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    100% credit for fighting a weight drained Oscar De La Hoya who should not have taken any fight below 154.
     
  3. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember playing Fight Night Round 3 I'd always have life and death battles using DLH vs Pac against friends and my bros. I would always get pissed off because I thought it was unrealistic and Pac would be smashed in a few rounds against a top welter. That puts into perspective for me what Pac has really achieved now that everyone sees him as unbeatable at welter. Crazy how a fight with Margarito is now frowned upon as an easy option.

    Anyway, I thought Oscar was going to seriously hurt Pac and was shocked at how easy Pac beat him up. He does not get the credit he deserves, everyone writing it off as if it wasn't special what he did. Even read on here someone say he cherry picked DLH lol.

    Oscar was not his best that night, but how do we really know he was entirely shot given Pac's subsequent demolition of Hatton and his beatdown of Cotto? Those wins proved Pac was an extraordinary fighter. He probably would have beaten any version of DLH, given how Oscar struggled with an old Whitaker's speed and movement in his prime.

    It was a phenomenal performance by Pac against DLH and it was the fight which i will always see as the one which solidified him as that once in a lifetime type of fighter I was lucky enough to see in my generation.
     
  4. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Not the same...Mayweather was a Welterweight before "retirement", and was still Welterweight when he came back. De la Hoya hadn't been at 147lbs for a good 6-7 years? He grew out of 147lbs, and the weigh-in photos show that.
     
  5. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its not one that many people mention since the wins over Hatton and Cotto but he got plenty of credit for it at the time.Oscar was well past his best and drained by the weight so I dont think its the best win Manny has had,it was more of a money fight.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Ye but the fight was at 144, not 147. it was 3 pounds lower than floyds last fight. pac fought odlh at 3 pounds lower than his last fight.

    Im not denying odlh was shot, but no1 knew that pre fight.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    He had just beaten forbes at 150.
     
  8. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Mayweather v Marquez...the catchweight was 144lbs, but Mayweather came in at 146lbs...the same weight he fought Mosley.

    Oscar v Forbes...Oscar weighed 150lbs, this is still light middleweight. Oscar weighed 145lbs v Pacquiao. Five pounds is a big amount of weight to lose, especially when you havn't been at 147lbs in years...never mind 145lbs.

    Oscar was clearly shot/weight drained...Pacquiao took the risk in moving up. But I think Roach knew Oscar couldn't make the weight comfortably otherwise he would not have put Pacquiao in there. Pacquiao moved up two weight classes, and Oscar moved down a weight class...both equally risky. And Pacquiao came out on top.
     
  9. wuzupman

    wuzupman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    and couldn't knock him down even with all that dehydration.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    yes he was shot, but that is after the fact. same with mayweather coming in at 146, after the fact. the fight was made for 144, 3 pounds beneath his last fight. odlh fought at 150 and made the fight at 147, 3 pounds beneath his last fight.

    all the **** about weighing 147 on the night, odlh being drained, that all happened after the fight was made. my thread is about giving pac credit for taking the fight.

    who did you pick to win?
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    4 pounds. Before fighting Pacquiao, Oscar fought Forbes in a catchweight in which was suppost to be at 150 pounds but Oscar fail to make weight in which Oscar weigh 151 pounds. Even though Oscar easily beat Forbes, Oscar got a bust up face by a feather fisted fighter. <<<<That tells me right there that moving down to 147 pounds will kill Oscar's body.
     
  12. motownsiu

    motownsiu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    isn't that what made him the crossover star that he is? he gets more credit for that than any other fight according to reg. sport fans. i still think his greatest victory is EM II.
     
  13. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    151 Pounds. Oscar fail to make weight.
     
  14. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I've posted earlier in the thread...
     
  15. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    Look up any old threads. Hatton, Oscar, Cotto, Clottey were all picked to murder Pac by many. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I thought all four would beat the **** outta him too. Guilty as charged.