Does Pacquiao Beating MAB Again Move Automatically Him Up P4P?

If he beats MAB and Marquez, for me, he would still be No 2 but really close to Mayweather. If he could capture a title at 135 (againts anyone), then he would be no1 for sure and floyd would have to clean 147 and 154 to get his no 1 spot back.

 

No, but that probably still won't stop some of the Mayweather detractors from ranking Pacman above Floyd anyway.

 

Undoubtedly. MAB came back from the loss and is STILL a P4P fighter. It is a NEW weight class at which Barrera is PROVEN, more so than PAC.

This is a QUALITY P4P win.

 

Mayweather has the better resume, and also a massive advantage H2H. Until Floyd loses, nobody goes above him.

 

What are you talking about? A new weight class in which MAB is more proven than Pacman?

They both have had 6 fights at this weight class. Both have had one loss at this weight class and wins over Morales at this weight class. Perhaps you are referring to MAB's better resume there, but Pacman certainly has proven he belongs at that weight class, and it's not new for him.

You think beating a faded MAB is better than beating Hatton?

 

Collincs said conceivebly if I remember. That's not an automatic yes.

 

I voted yes that is if hatton would beat PBF...

 

MAB beat Morales before PAC did. When PAC beat Morales, many would argue Morales was shot. MAB beat him when he was a solid underdog.

MAB is the WBC and IBF champ, PAC isn't a champ.

MAB does have a loss to JMM but it was close and PAC has a loss to Morales. PAC has beaten a small Larios and MAB has blitzed an undefeated mandatory.

This is a quality P4P win for PAC.

If the argument is PAC being ranked above Floyd if they both win then no. That is a ridiculous argument. Hatton is P4P higher than MAB and is the best 140 pounder in the world and a former champ from 147.

 

MAB beat Morales before Pacman did, but Pacman beat him more times. Morales was not the same fighter that he was for the 2nd MAB fight and hasn't been the same fighter for a while now. Neither has MAB, who has adapted better than Morales has to his aging.

MAB is not a champion, JMM took his belts. Pacman is rated #1 by Ring.

MAB has not fought a single unbeaten fighter at 130, and struggled against Juarez. Pacman has fought smaller opposition.

I think this is an OK win for Pacman, but not a P4P win but to each their own. This is NOT a new division for Pacman as you stated earlier though, unless you mean new as in different from the division in which their last fight took place.

The argument IS that Pacman would become #1 if he beats MAB convincingly and PBF doesn't blow out Hatton and wins a close decision.

 

So if Ibragimov beats Holyfield three times does that make his wins better than Lewis?

True, MAB is no longer the champ but he won two belts.

It doesn't matter if MAB struggled with Juarez. He beat a young fighter twice and dominated him the second time.

You're right Fana wasn't undefeated. Still his mandatory. My mistake.

PAC would NOT be ranked above Floyd, that is a pathetic argument. He would DEFINITELY be moved up the P4P charts. This is a quality win.

Saddler smashed Pep the first but got whooped in the rematch. A dominating first win doesn't ALWAYS mean you win the rematch.

MAB is a top P4P fighter, beating him is a top P4P win, it is simple.

 

I still wouldn't rank Pacman over Mayweather in that senario as Pacquiao has already beaten MAB.

 

MAB is no longer a top P4P fighter. There are other fighters who have surpassed him at this stage. He is still a good fighter, but he isn't top 10, and I don't have him Top 15. He isn't what he was.

I answered what you said. I don't care if MAB HAD the belts, he doesn't have them now. And Pacman being rated #1 is just as signifigant. I only mentioned these things because you said this was a new division and MAB was more proven here than Pacman. They both have had 1 loss at 130, and neither is more proven than the other.

Lewis beat Holyfield a decade ago. Ibragimov fighting him now is not the same. Pacman fought Morales directly after MAB fought him, those are not valid comparisons.

I have not posed the argument that Pacman would be rated over PBF. But that is what this thread is about. It stems from a couple of other threads started by Pacfans because of the what the Ring editor said. I also have not posed an argument that Pacman should automatically win this fight. I am saying if he DOES win, against someone he completely destroyed the first time, and someone who isn't as good as he was when Pacman beat him then, he shouldn't move up. And how can he move up from #2 if #1 wins?

 

Obviously. Pacman needs PBF to lose or fight an absolute nobody.