Does RJJ have a chance in hell against The Mighty Adamek?

*Steve Collins.

On his retirement:
Collins reportedly stated in the press that he had no motivation left as he had spent the best part of his career chasing Roy Jones Jr for a unification fight that had been promised to him many times.
[He said he had] spent so long chasing Roy Jones Jr that money was not an important factor any more and that he would "fight him in a phone box in front of two men and a dog".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Collins

 

When Roy hears the names you listed sounds of shattered glass go through his head. He wanted no part of any of those guys. I am shocked he fought Hopkins and Toney. After those fights Roy did not fight anyone until 2004 that had a pulse and we all saw what happened. He wasted his whole supposed "Prime" fighting a bunch of mandatory fights and handpicked optional defenses against cab drivers, bartenders, off duty police officers, and sanitation workers.

Roy knows he has a Glass Jaw and he avoided fighters like the plague to protect it.

Even in the Hopkins and Toney fights he was scared to really engage those are 2 very boring fights for supposed marque wins on his resume.

Don't even get me started how the Glass Jaw Roy nuthuggers try and talk up Ruiz to make their hero's resume look better. It is pathetic.

 

I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue as to what was going on then. You were better off agreeing with the names I mentioned. I don't think you were watching boxing then, and I don't say that to discredit you. Well, maybe to half discredit you lol. I have to go, but I'll pick up this thread tomorrow.

 

You can add that name to the names Roy supposedly didn't fight. I'll be back tomorrow.

 

He should have RETIRED after the Ruiz win.

Ruiz wasn't Lewis but that victory and a piece of the title over a bona fide heavywt, who'd beaten Holyfield, was a major achievement for an ageing former super-welterweight.

And when he saw how drained he was coming down for Tarver, he should definitely have retired then.

Nobody would be even questioning his greatness if he retired a few weeks after Tarver 1, on his 35th birthday.

(Personally, i don't put much stock on anything that happened in his career after that. Any more than I count Ali's post Spinks 2, career).


Why does he fight on ?

Who the **** knows?

The allure of the limelight ? The centre of attention ? The excitement? The addiction?

Ask Ali why he fought Holmes and Berbick?

Ask Sugar Ray Leonard.

He was a rare speciman and an ATG champion. He just didn't know when to quit.


Forty years from now, I'm betting at least half of boxing fans will rank Calzaghe higher (Joe beat Roy head to head and retired undefeated).

Now you and I know that Roy was greater h2h AND by accomplishment, but will the average fan understand that?

(BTW: I'm a fan of Calzaghe)


IMO, Roy was the greatest fighter since Duran and one of the most talented ever.


You haven't answered my earlier question to you.

Who did Roy duck in his prime ?

(Darius and Roy mutually avoided each other).

 

Nobody cares what a ****** like yourself thinks lol. Nobody respects you here.

 

Steve Collins also lost to every elite fighter he faced.

 

let me add that rjj had the full backing of HBO throughout his career, and was their marquee "house fighter". his position in the company was secure. he was making what was it now, 4 million? 3 million? per fight, even against mandatories. he could have pushed for and made ANY fight he wanted. it's a shame he never took risks throughout his prime, and now has left it late talking up big fights. his example has exacerbated cherry picking in the sport today. imo he fights on because he knows he never truly justified his amazing talent with his career, and is seeking some twisted sense of redemption.

 

OK

Same question to you as I asked Rummy four posts up:

You haven't answered my earlier question to you.

Who did Roy duck in his prime ?

(Darius and Roy mutually avoided each other).

 

Well, this is it. RJJ was first and foremost a business man, he made a lot of money, and he had universal adulation. Why risk fighting guys who could possibly beat him when he was getting everything he wanted without fighting them anyway?

What has changed now is that he no longer holds all the cards - if he wants belts and titles, he is going to have to take them off somebody else i.e other champions. So not only is he in the position where he is fighting higher caliber opposition than in his hey day, but he is also past his prime.

It's a difficult situation for him to be in, but if he wants to fight on, which he clearly does, then he has to do it.

Good luck to him. You can't question the guy's bravery. If the fight happens I'll definitely be watching. Who wouldn't begrudge him if he takes the win? It will depend on the style in which he does it, but it will be a massive achievement if he does.

I've said it before, he ain't in his prime anymore, but his decline has been greatly exaggerated.

He still has the skills to take this fight - it's ironic that it's always RJJ's supposed fans that are most critical of him and giving him no chance.

 

He lost a couple of fights earlier in his career, but it is fair to say he improved a lot as his career went on.

When Steve became a champion, I think it made a massive difference to his confidence in his own abilities and made him an even more determined fighter. He was one of those sort of guys he would have fought to his last breath in order to keep hold of his belt he had worked so hard to get.

His pride was off the scale.:good

 

Probably better.

Archie and Rocky were both the same size (modern day cruisers).

And Archie was beaten around all over the place in a one-sided beatdown/KO.

Marciano was THE MAN and Ruiz wasn't, but Ruiz was in the top three or four and Roy, quite a bit smaller, did win and captured the title (Same belt for which Moore challenged Marciano)

As I've already answered, IMO, No.

There's something to be said for winning, and Lewis was all wrong for Roy.

I think that fighting a heavywt champion of any stripe calls for courage, if you were 154 at 22 years old.

No, he was weight drained BEFORE the Tarver fight.

Not necessarily.

He was 35 and could have called it a career.

Nobody is overly critical of the 30 year old SRL for not rematching the Marvelous One after, IMO, a much closer fight.

He didn't 'have' to take the rematch.

Agreed. He won the fight in the championship rounds. I don't understand why some think he didn't.

I already addressed this.

Again, at 35, and having done all he had, and having already beaten, Tarver, I have to think his stock would stay high without any rematch.

Especially as time went by.

As I said, I don't put much stock in those shenenigans. He carried his buddy Tito, and they both made lots of $$$$.

Same with Joe. (Though HE was the one being carried here) and again, $$$$$.

That's the nature of the casual fan.

I made a thread a few months ago (October) in which I asked: Roy or Sweetpea ?

It came in at 82 votes apiece.

Surely you don't have any other contenders since Duran's best days ?

Who did Roy duck in his prime ?

(Darius and Roy mutually avoided each other).