During 24/7 Roach talked about how badly he's doing lately with all his fighters losing. Does he hang them up now? I couldn't see Manny with another trainer, but I would like to see Pac with somebody else. It's not all Roach's fault, but he's got to be one of the most stubborn trainers I've ever seen. Didn't want Pac to do S&C, said it's crap, Manny has not gotten much better at inside fighting, doesn't know how to cut off the ring, and leaps in. Khan gets knocked out, Chavez Jr. gets beat up, Pac takes 1 kd (never did before against Marquez) and then gets KOed. Can't blame it all on the trainer, but one thing I see during all those fights... Roach's face.