Does Seeing Mayweather Glide Arounf the Ring Guerrero Prove....

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  1. Watson

    Watson New Member Full Member

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    except he is
     
  2. Idk. I think Floyd saw he hurt Cotto and Cotto looked pretty tired. Flours stamina is what gets him through those late rounds and makes him look much better than whoever he is facing.
     
  3. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    It's also about styles.

    Guerrero was trying to box Mayweather, the same way Gatti tried to. Simply put, he didn't start pressuring Mayweather until round 9.

    Cotto and Ortiz started pressuring right away and managed to force Mayweather into the ropes.

    People need to wake up. Guerrero is slightly above average at Welterweight. He's on the level of Karass and Karass loses to all the good fighters. He tried to counter Mayweather for 2/3 of the fight, basically giving Mayweather all the space he needed to get around.

    Yeah, Mayweather got his legs, but Guerrero also sucked at cutting off the ring.
     
  4. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes he is --- like him or not. He is the best today and no one else even close.
     
  5. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    When you take years off and have about 1 fight a year, avoid fighters in their prime, take on mediocre fighters, it's easy to look good.

    Pac has outperformed Mayweather against common fighters with the exception of JMM. The only good fighters he's fought in the last 2 years is an over the hill Cotto. Both Guerrero and Ortiz are both seriously overrated opponents.

    Most guys in the top P4P list has had a much tougher fight schedule.
     
  6. Real-G

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    Disagree.

    By your explanation everyone Floyd has fought sux at cutting off the ring.
    Let look at the facts, Floyd has fought world class fighters, and all pretty much had a pretty deep amateur and pro fight back ground, all are pretty well rounded with the basic of boxing, cutting off the ring being one of those skills.
    The problem with facing floyd when cutting off the ring, is that he knows how to fight and defend off the ropes.

    This makes it really difficult to cut off the ring against a fighter that has that kind of skill, because once you cut off the ring and force him against the ropes, he is still scoring and picking you off. This also makes it easy for him to slip out ether side and score or just get away.
    This is what floyd does not get credit for, instead its how much the other guy sux rather then how deep floyd's defensive and offensives skills are.
     
  7. Real-G

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    Again disagree,

    Floyd is older then Cotto, and many saw the fight being even worse for cotto had the fight taken place at 140 which why that fight never happened.
    As far as Pac out performing Floyd that open for debate both use two deferent styles .. Pac uses a hard style of boxing while floyd uses a more soft tactile style.
     
  8. MetalLicker

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    Of course he's skilled. There's no doubt about that. You test those skills at the highest level regardless of how good those skills are. Donaire found out that his skills weren't good enough again Rigo. Hopkins found out he wasn't good enough against Dawson. And Dawson against Ward. Calderon found out his skills didn't cut it against Segura.

    He's skilled, but that doesn't mean Ortiz or Guerrero wasn't a couple levels below the elite. I guarantee that if either of these guys fight a guy like Alexander or Bradley, they'd get their asses kicked. Maidana already made Ortiz his ***** and Maidana is one step below championship material.

    Floyd has not fought the best available opponents over the years. I give him credit for taking on Alvarez (should have been no catch weights), but that doesn't excuse his cheery picking over the years.
     
  9. witschnerd1

    witschnerd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very true if you watch the Cotto fight listen to Emanuel Stewart talk about Floyd's defense. He was one of the very best trainers and he said Floyd's defense was maybe the best he had ever seen.
     
  10. Real-G

    Real-G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I doubt Bradly or Alexander can beat Guerrero , I find their chances of beating Floyd even less likely. So now where does that leave your argument?

    There has been talk of Floyd possibly facing Matthysse, which I think Floyd will also beat but again if Floyd fights him and beats him again there will be an excuse but lets see what happens with Saul and Floyd in September.
     
  11. DBLOCK

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    i knew he was trying give fans what they want and it almost cost him vs mosley.the way i see it,floyd would never step in a ring if his legs were gone.
     
  12. Undisputed

    Undisputed Cant G no other way Full Member

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    He never fought pacquiao? I'm sure taking Vacations,loss of urge, and fighting once a year have nothing to do with his longevity.
     
  13. Undisputed

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    he also said Linares was the best fighter he'd ever seen, the same fight DeMarco busted his **** open in.:hi:
     
  14. MetalLicker

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    Bradley and Alexander has been in there with the best and held their own fairly well. Guerrero struggule with Aiden, beat Berto (who hasn't beaten Berto these days) and got embarrassed by Floyd. Man, you are delusional to think that Guerrero is better than Alexander or Bradley. He hasn't done much above 135 and Floyd cherry picked him.

    People mention how brilliant Floyd's defense was against Cotto...but then Austin Trout put on an even better defensive performance against Cotto. He was barely touched where was Floyd was bloodied and lost 4 rounds.

    When you have tunnel vision, you only see a tunnel.