Does size count even just a little bit?

Once you hit 200 lbs... No...talent matters

 

Please show me when it was common that 110 lb.s men were matched with 210 lbs. men.
I think that is a hig overstatement.

 

This makes sense. As does the idea that it matters less at HW.
Which is why we can consider it very possible that prime Tyson could beat guys who were top talents & also dwarfed him in height, reach & weight.

But it seems absurd to claim it is no advantage at all when you get to say 200 lbs.
Lewis would still have an advantage against Tyson due to size.
But because of Tyson's unusual skill, he would have a decent chance.

But if we made Tyson or any other fighter barely 200 lbs. as opposed to Iron Mike's lean 215-220 in his prime, that becomes harder.
Joe Louis & Joe Frazier would have a bigger disadvantage against the greatest SHWs.

 

Size matters in every sport, yet the greatest of all time in nearly every sport was not the largest or even among the largest to compete so it obviously doesn't matter as much as some would like to believe

 

Being bigger matters more in divisions below heavyweight

 

You quoted me wrong. I said size disparities were common back then (which they were) not 110 lb boxers vs 210 lb boxers, I was over exaggerating when I used those weight extremities to show that as an example that no-one would of bat an eyelid back in the day. I probably should of put in a full stop, but most of us a careless with our grammar.

 

Thank you for the clarification, but I did not quote you.
I said what you seemed to indicate, & it seems that a tiny man fighting someone about eaxtly twice his weight would always be very uncommon.

 

There's a myth that athleticism falls off with size. Guys like Lebron and Zion seem to be doing fine.

 

Yes but are you talking about fighters moving up divisions to fight naturally bigger men or guys you think are "big" in their weight class?

 

About Hagler I do think he could move up because of his 75 inch reach and southpaw stance, yet he was not too tall, but his reach was that of a man 6ft tall which helped his effectiveness.

And the fact is guys like Hearns or Leonard or Curry and most guys like that fought 150 to 200 amateur fights which could be as effective as 100 fights in other eras.
Weight means a lot because the punching power will not be as effective, so the person can walk in with impunity. I remember when Ray Leonard fought Marvin Hagler and Gil Clancy said before the fight he didn't like Ray coming in so heavy. I forget what Ray weighed, but he wanted him to be near 152 I think, and he was near the middleweight limit. I think Ray knew what he was doing. He pushed Hagler in that first round and gave Hagler a message. He said he wanted to land a good punch before the first round ended to give him a message.. Had he been 152 he might not have had the insurance of a little more physical strength. I think Ray worked on that for Hagler and then it went to his head with Lalonde, and he thought he would overpower Hearns and he did not. I think Ray worked on his physical strength and wanted to be solid at middleweight.

I mean to think about Marciano going in against Lennox Lewis is ridiculous. I think Lennox lands that right hand in one or two and stops Marciano. But it is not a fair fight.

 

Not in the slightest, as soon as a fighter is conferred the formal title of world heavyweight champion. Even if the world is populated by 98 pound men.

 

Bad humor in my last post aside, you'd run into the square-cube law eventually, I think.