Does size count even just a little bit?

Sure it does. But that's not the argument. The argument is what if you took a 6'5", 240 lbs man and put him in with a 5'10", 180 lbs man and weather or not it makes any difference. My position is that it does.

 

Of course it does. That's why it's crazy to match up a man weighing 180 against a man weighing 240.

 

Agreed. But the premise of some people is that its irrelevant WITHOUT making the sort of changes that you propose.

 

I disagree with those.

 

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Before 1980, pretty much true in terms of skills. Willard, Simon, and B Baer do not compare to Bowe, Lewis and Klitschko.

 

How do you compare the skills of Willard with Wilder?

 

If you think someone like Marciano is less skilled than a SHW from today, it's an easy pick.

If you think he's more skilled it's much harder. I mean Chagaev gave away a **** load of weight to Valuev but still beat him cos he was better. He beat Shkor, he beat Vingo, he beat an old Joe Louis.

Everything past that point is conjecture.

 

It is hard to say who was more skilled, because the skillsets are so different.

Both have thrown the boxing book out of the window, and adopted a style based on their size.

Both were obviously very good at what they did.

 

The skills of Wilder???

 

The easiest comparison of skillset is the most basic comparison.

P4P winnability.

Who does better

Marciano against a field of men weighing no more than 190 on fight night

Or

Klitschko against a field of men weighing no more than 240 on fight night.

 

Then Marciano surely?

Not much to fault about his record!

 

Is it coincidental that Bowe, Lewis and both Klits came AFTER steroids were invented?

 

Klitschko was no different than terrel or ruiz in terms of skill honestly, he was just taller and heavier due to modern nutrition and training.

 

They need to make a super heavy division above 225 orsomething

 

Size is the primary detriment in martial arts. Weight divisions do not protect the smaller fighter from the larger but do the exact opposite.

The more you know.