>>> Does Tank Davis beat Orlando Salido???

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Nah, just someone who is objective and honest. You wouldn’t recognise my sort.
     
  2. Farmboxer

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    Salido in his prime? NO. Old Salido, perhaps, but at what weight. Lomachenko will beat Davis....................
     
  3. Nay_Sayer

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    Easy.

    Sugar Ray *beat* the Orlando Salido types of his day while he was in the middle of his physical prime.

    You got anything else?
     
  4. dealt_with

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    Hahaha

    First you have to define ‘Orlando Salido types’ and then you have to make an argument for an equivocal situation and then you have to provide evidence that SRR did something better than Lomachenko in the same situation.
    For a start we are talking about different eras so your argument is intrinsically weak from its inception. The argument you are proposing is far from easy, it’s impossible and weak as can be from what I can tell.
    The argument was also a direct comparison on technical matters, so you’ve strayed off course and changed the parameters.
    You need to do a lot better than this.
     
  5. Manfred

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    You must have forgot. No problem because I thought you wrote that you watched his fights in the lighter weights.
     
  6. The Akbar One

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    Looks like I just made you explain yourself as well. :lol: If you really want a physical confrontation with a total stranger, for not bowing down to your racial antagonisms, then send me the funds for a trip to your city. If you want an arse whoopin that bad, you might as well pay for it. If it isn't a total shithole I'll come, I have some vacation time I need to use, *****.
     
  7. The Akbar One

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    Non-violence allows the oppressor to get away with murder for lengthy periods of time with no retribution.
     
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  8. dealt_with

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    I have watched his fights. Please post links of these devastating knockouts. You won't because they don't exist. Even against his bum opponents when he was padding his record in the early days he wasn't one punching anyone, he had body punch and accumulation stoppages. As soon as he got to world level he had no punching power, he could sometimes catch guys unexpectedly for knockdowns but he wasn't putting anyone away. Even in the Corrales fight (which is one of the most overrated victories ever) he was never able to seriously hurt him despite dropping him five times. Floyd could walk guys into counter punches but he has never been a concussive puncher like Davis is. Real boxing heads who are honest know this truth.
     
  9. str1

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    Better question should be..... .Does Tank beat Loma?

    Stop with the triangle theories. Tank does not beat Loma. End thread/
     
  10. str1

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    And to prove that Tank is better than Loma, he and Mayweather should have being all over the fight since they were both champs at 130lbs. But instead we heard excuses that Tank wasn't ready (yet was a champ), too young (since when is boxing classified by age), Loma too old (yet had no problem trying to fight Salido who is older), not in a hurry (yet they were in a hurry to get a belt), it's in their time (meaning until Loma looks beatable).

    Best way to find out was to actually make the fight not duck. While Tank is fighting bums Loma is moving to a new division to fight the best in that division.
     
  11. Manfred

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    Out of Floyd's first twenty fights, all but five were stoppages. Out of Davis first twenty fights, all but two were stoppages. That's in the same ballpark no matter how you look at it. Who has Davis knocked out with one punch? As a matter of fact, his last stoppage was as a result of a body shot. In the lighter weights Floyd was going straight at his opponents. He was very aggressive and intelligent. Davis doesn't have the command of the ring the way Floyd had it. It's just a fact. Now I don't know who these real boxing heads are that you mentioned but I know that I ain't no slouch in this game and I call it the way I see it.
     
  12. dealt_with

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    Please, everyone knows that the first 20 fights don’t indicate much at all about punching power. Your KO ratio at that stage completely depends on your opponents level. Andre Ward stopped all but 7 of his first 20 opponents, by your calculations that’s in the same ballpark no matter how you look at it. Is Andre Ward a devastating puncher early on in his career? Winky Wright 13 out of 20, vs Floyd’s 15 out of 20. Was Winky a power puncher like little Floyd? What about brutal Joe Calzaghe, he stopped 19 out of his first 20 opponents. Everyone knows he was basically Mike Tyson.
    The fact you think along these lines indicates that you don’t know anything about boxing, never mind being a real boxing head.

    The only time Floyd has been aggressive in his career was very early on, when he had heavy bags in front of him that he could tee off on, resulting in those ref and corner stoppages with the fighter on their feet. I remember Floyd trying to throw combinations against Augustus and getting bloodied and beaten up on the inside. Floyd has never been able to throw fluid combinations or apply effective aggression. He has only ever been good when fighting with his safety first style. I don’t know where this myth about Floyd being a beast in the lighter weights comes from, it’s a myth made for people trying to excuse his terrible style in recent years. He has always been a negative fighter, apart from when he has a heavy bag like Gatti in front of him. And even then, where is the devastating power? He lands all his best punches against a guy who can’t do anything, the corner throws in the towel.
    I won’t say Floyd is feather fisted, but to compare him to a guy like Davis who is visibly more explosive and powerful is just silly and dishonest.
     
  13. Manfred

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    Take the facts as they are, all we got to go on is the first twenty fights because that's all that Davis has. That is a fair comparison. All the rest of what you are talking about is just chatter and irrelevant. The fact is that Floyd was knocking busters out just as regular as Davis in the lighter weights.
     
  14. Nay_Sayer

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    "I don't even call it violence when it's in self defense; I call it intelligence."

    - Malcolm X
     
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  15. BoxingABC1

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    ah so that explains why you know so little