Does the Ali of Frazier II win FOTC?

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  1. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali came in with less arrogance and a game plan, but now he has to go three more rounds against a fresher Frazier.

    Different outcome, or is Smokin' Joe too much?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    No. FOTC Joe beats every version of Ali
     
  3. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Active Member Full Member

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    Not a prime Cassius Clay ...
     
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    christpuncher New Member Full Member

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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    66 Ali would take less punishment against Joe but he'd still lose
     
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  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe beats any version of Ali in 1971, I doubt a younger Ali would have lasted
     
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  7. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Only prime Ali beats FOTC Frazier
     
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  8. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali was in much better shape for fight 2. Not comparable. That Ali beats 1971 Frazier.
     
  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Frazier still wins
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. Different outcome.

    After being out three and a half years, Ali fought three times in five months - October 1970 to March 1971. He was gassed after three rounds with Quarry. He was tired throughout most of the Bonavena fight and didn't impress anyone until the final round. And, against Frazier, Ali threw and landed a lot, but he laid on the ropes more than he had in any fight in his career to that point and he was basically done after the 10th.

    Ali actually looked sharper and stronger against Ellis three months after the first Frazier fight than he did against Frazier.

    And, by the time the Frazier rematch rolled around, Ali was sharp. He had his endurance back. And he had Frazier hurt in the second and may have dropped him if not for the ref jumping between them because he thought he heard the bell.

    I don't think Ali stops Frazier in fight one, but I think Ali was better enough in the return and quicker on his feet later in the fight to not get caught and win a 15-round decision.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think most people underestimate Ali's performance in the FOTC. Sure he may have lost, but he put up a hell of a fight. One of his best performances. Very well may've been the best Ali we've seen in the 70s.
     
  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    FOTC was close. 74 Ali had those extra bouts he missed coming off the layoff

    In fact, I believe 1972 Ali whips same yearJoe Frazier

    1966 Ali, forget it. I see punches coming from everywhere, blinding and bewildering Joe and finally stopping him late. If not, a UD for Ali
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    It would be very close. I'd back pre-exile Ali for sure.
     
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  14. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes.
     
  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not positive Ali won that second fight, and let's face it he wasn't big George, he earned that shot by beating no-joke contenders.

    Post-FOTC Ali was much more cerebral, and it showed both in the second Frazier and Norton as well as Foreman.

    Cerebral still wouldn't have helped him with the FOTC. I do see 60s Ali quite possibly overwhelming Frazier with the extra punches and movement...

    but even then, Joe was a total juggernaut the night of FOTC. I just don't see anyone beating him that night. Just my opinion.