Does the Counter-Punching Style Require Greater Ring IQ and Skills to Use?

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  1. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    The top counterers of our day (Hopkins, Ward, Marquez, and Mayweather) are also the smartest and most skilled fighters as of now.

    Is the counter-punching style more mentally demanding, or do these fighters just happen to be smart?
     
  2. Cotto(e)

    Cotto(e) Guest

    Just come out and say that you're black for ****'s sake.

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  3. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    I think it is more mentally demanding.
     
  4. JMP

    JMP Champion Full Member

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    As far as counter-punching, it's not a matter of being smart. It's having the reflexes, coordination, and automatic physiological responses honed through years of practice and fighting to react to what your opponent throws at you. Everything has to be automatic. There's no time to think, "this guy threw out a jab, so I'm gonna slip to my right and fire a right hand." Coming up with a gameplan during the preparation for a fight is where the intelligence comes in.

    The same goes for being a great (defensive) pressure fighter, of which there aren't any around in the current scene. Executing any style at a world-class P4P level is demanding. You can't necessarily say one style is more demanding and mentally taxing than another. Too many variables are involved.
     
  5. ALTimegreat

    ALTimegreat Guest

    Klitschko bros are smart too. oh and my boy Khan
     
  6. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Marquez and Ward are pretty smart, but tbh Hopkins and Mayweather don't really seem so if you ask in a general sense.
     
  7. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    shut the **** up
     
  8. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post. A huge part of the counter punching style is the "ring IQ" that comes with experience; almost seeing the punch and counter before it happens. All of the best have either long amatuer backgrounds or a ton of professional experience, sometimes both.

    Intelligence can be specific to a field and not present elsewhere. I wouldn't want to see Uncle Roger's SAT scores, but the man truly knows boxing.
     
  9. Cotto(e)

    Cotto(e) Guest

    Y u mad? Slick be promotin' black power with every thread. He a Panther.

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  10. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    boxing is like speed chess. u don't have to be smart to play...but it helps if u want to win.
     
  11. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, I just think it's a different style, they all take ring IQ and skills.

    For instance, Chavez was great at applying pressure, and it takes ring intelligence to know how to cut off the ring, when and where to throw your punches, having a sense of
    how the opponent will react.

    Similar thing on being a counter punching. It takes ring IQ to know (or have a good sense of) when your opponent will throw, what he will throw, which punches are best to counter. Setting traps so your opponent will throw a certain shot, and then countering on that opening.
     
  12. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the case of someone like Hopkins, a better word would be 'crafty'. He does all sorts of things to bend the rules or break them, but usually disguises it fairly well. His fight with Calzaghe is a showcase of dirty/sneaky fighting in boxing -- combining the headbutt with the right hand, using his head to push at Calzaghe's head in the clinch, hitting him with low punches on the blind side of the referee, regularly clinching and spoiling Calzaghe's work, etc. I also remember how he made a massive deal out of supposedly getting hit low when Calzaghe seemed to be taking over in the fight. Hopkins took a long time resting, getting some of his stamina back rather than being too proud or embarrassed and jumping back into action. When the action eventually resumed he definitely looked fresher, and he had also served to break Calzaghe's momentum.
     
  13. box247

    box247 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Need good reflexes coordination and accuracy
     
  14. RustBelt

    RustBelt The Pride Of Youngstown Full Member

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    Timing = Counter punching

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  15. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Timing, reflexes, anticipation = Counter punching

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