Does the Cruiserweight division need to exist?

It's unnecessary.
Anyone who's really any good there moves up to heavyweight anyway.

People talking about cruiserweights "bulking up", but with the limit at 200 and the space between weighing in and fighting, by fight time a lot of these guys are somewhere in the 210 - 220 range already, they don't actually need to bulk up. David Haye looks the same in his last fight as he did in his last couple of CW fights.
So, if there's any real concern about "size mismatching" it's probably already going on within the CW division.

Then again, there's an argument that loads of weight divisions and loads of titles is a good thing because more fighters get a chance to be a world champion and make some sort of decent payaday.

 

The cruiser class should be ditched. Even the light heavyweight title took a long time to be fully accepted, but the fact is that former light heavyweights and middleweights have leapfrogged the cruisers to compete successfully at heavyweight. In some instances, these heavyweights have reduced back down to 175. CW is an irrelevant division.

 

Lets look at this another way.

How many realy good cruiserweight fighters have there been and would it be a travesty if they had never held some sort of title?

 

Yes but they should only use the amateur weight divisions

 

Just cap heavyweights at 238lb. Then a new super heavyweight division could start up for the body builders and giants for fans intrested in boring fights.

Im convinced a 238 heavyweight can make 225 anyway.

A while back there was a thread on here "best heavyweights who were 225lb plus" outside of lewis it was a sorry bunch since all the greatest heavyweights were within 225 for their best wins.

 

I'd rather it was deleted, it only serves to make the Heavyweight division even weaker than it already is, by allowing 215lb fighters to weigh-in at 200lbs at Cruiserweight.

 

Say what you will about its history, but the Cruiserweight division is arguably better right now than either the Light heavy or Heavyweight division. It makes perfect sense as a lot of these guys stuck in between at 180 or 190 can't really effectively go up and fight the Wlads of the world. Steve Cunningham and Denis Lebedev are two great examples. I can't really see either guy at heavyweight, yet both are strong and super fast at 190-200. I'd rather see a guy like Adamek test his skills in that division than beating up plodding oafs like Golota or Grant any day.

Cruiser is a great division.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. Several of the best fights of the 00's were in the division: Toney/Jirov, Mormeck /Bell, Adamek/Cunningham.

 

Ocasio and DeLeon were the first cruiserweight champions of substance. For Jaws, this was after he got the better of Young twice, and Dokes in their first bout. He also proved to be a very competent heavyweight after his WBA Title reign at 190, defeating Qawi and Coetzer, pushing Mercer to an SD, and taking Lennox to the final bell for the first time. However, make no mistake about it. His place in history is due to him being the first Puerto Rican to challenge for the heavyweight title, and then his nearly three year title reign as the inaugural WBA CW champion. Boxrec records him as a cruiserweight, but he was really a heavyweight for the majority of his career, only at 190 for six title fights.

Carlos De Leon is also recorded by Boxrec as a cruiserweight, and he can probably be defined as the first true natural cruiserweight during the title history of that division. He won the WBC title four times (originally from Marvin Camel over the championship distance in a 1980 bloodbath), and had eight successful defenses during those four reigns. He's the earliest candidate for eventual IBHOF induction strictly as a cruiserweight. (Losing his one chance to unify in Holyfield's final cruiserweight bout hurts his chances here though. Evander can clearly be stated to be the first truly great cruiserweight, unifying all claims as Tyson simultaneously did at heavyweight. Of course Holyfield has long since eclipsed that at HW, and has been a full fledged heavyweight for well over two decades.)

 

Great Post, I think its useless.

Frankly the talent pool would in fact strengthen the HW or LHW divisions. I also don't believe in an Super Heavyweight Division because I don't think that there is enough talented or there will ever been enough talent to warrant it.

Frankly history has shown us:

Micheal Spinks beating Larry Holmes after coming up from LHW
Micheal Moorer beating Evander Holyfield despite being a former LHW
Roy Jones Jr. beating John Ruiz despite being a former LHW
Tomasz Adamek beating Cris Arreola despite being a former LHW

Talent is talent and frankly these guys have shown that size doesn't really matter once you're above the 200 mark.

 

Bad argument. If a guy's best weight is 190, what sense does it make to move up or down to "strengthen" a division? Cunningham would be a much less effective fighter at say 210 or 220 than at 195. His edge is speed and incredible fitness. The same goes for guys like Jirov, Bell, and Mormeck, who simply were much slower and not nearly as effective once over 200 pounds. I'd rather see these guys fight at their best possible natural weight.