Does the current heavyweight era have multiple all time great caliber fighters

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MarkusFlorez99, Nov 23, 2025 at 10:39 PM.


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  2. NO

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  1. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Usyk is utterly different from Ali

    A relentless style of angle changes and exhausting motion. Constant movement and footwork.

    Ali relied on his reach a lot - and even his 6'3" height. (Liston was only 6'1" and Frazier only 5'9")

    Against today's MOBILE giants, Ali is in trouble, in my view

    Too huge and too mobile for their size
     
  2. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Active Member Full Member

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    No.

    Usyk is great but on borderline of the heavyweight greats. He's remarkable because of his age, winning clearly at his age against ranked heavyweights (well Dubois really).

    Fury and AJ are not even close to being heavyweight great. Nowhere near. And, unfortunately for Usyk, the apex of his resume consists of those two, plus Dubois.
     
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  3. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

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    Usyk 100%. ATG status should quite rightly be reserved for the absolute elite. Fury and AJ were established world class boxers in their era, which is an amazing achievement for any fighter. Hell, few ever win a regional or national title, let alone what this eras runners up have managed to do.
     
  4. NahMateNoWay

    NahMateNoWay Member Full Member

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    I'd struggle to pick against Usyk against virtually any heavyweight from any era.
    Having said that, he doesn't have the resume at HW to justify ATG status for me. The depth simply isn't there.
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali fought Bugner, Lyle, Norton, Foreman, Wepner, Terrell, Mathis, who were all between 6'3-6'6 in height.

    So if you're suggesting Ali's most notable wins were always against shorter fighters with short reaches you're wrong.

    And what mobile Heavyweights are there now ? Usyk yes obviously, Fury is retired, who else ?

    PS Liston had an 84 inch reach.
     
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  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And yet a 6'0 obese Ruiz bounced Joshua all over the ring.

    Ruiz was also unlucky not to get the nod vs your fighter Parker who's 6'4.

    Ruiz has quick hands yes but he has concrete feet and is out of shape and is nothing special. Which proves size isn't always a factor its about the quality of a fighter.
     
  7. DoctorJones

    DoctorJones Member Full Member

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    Frazier 5'9 come one, check on celebheights
    Now about reach look at Liston's and we talk
     
  8. DoctorJones

    DoctorJones Member Full Member

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    I don't want to be boring but Parker is 6ft3
    Fighters inflate a bit their height
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably true I know Ruiz is listed at 6'2 but he's definitely no more than 6'0.
     
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  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it does we'll never know because fighters aren't getting oppurtunities. Usyk, Fury, AJ and Wilder have done the sport a great disservice.

    Even if this is a golden crop all we're going to see is a generation of Luis Ortiz's. Look at how Kabayels been strung along and realize hes at the front of the line and theres a whole line of mostly similar aged fighters waiting for the traffic to clear.
     
  11. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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  12. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold The Hype Job Spotter. Full Member

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    Lets exercise caution on Itauma here.
     
  13. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  14. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of people hate Fury here. Here are a few things that wouldn't happen to him though.

    Getting KO'd by featherfist Ali. (Foreman)
    Getting in multiple life and death struggles with Frazier. (Ali)
    Getting destroyed by Foreman like a little kid. (Frazier)
    Getting one-punch KO'd twice by mediocre fighters. (Lewis)
    Getting KO'd by a fat MW. (Evan Fields v Toney)
    Getting TKO'd by Purrity. (Wlad)
    Getting beaten by Danny Williams, quitting on his stool, losing to Evan Fields so badly he had to bite his ear off. (Tyson, his namesake apparently).
    Getting destroyed by Tyson with the first clean shot, without landing a punch for rounds. (Holmes)

    So yeah, ATG is a very elite club, as we can see.
     
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  15. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Active Member Full Member

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    He already struggled and was decked by a 37-year-old boxing debutant in a very close 10 round fight, at age 35 and holding the world title. The Ngannou performance is one of the worst ever.
    Fury was lucky to get past Otto Wallin, a true 'feather fist'.

    About 4 of your examples happened to boxers over the age of 35 and years after they were champions.

    You can't even compare Fury to someone like Ali, or any great champion who took on hungry contenders year in, year out. Defending title 2, 3, 4 times a year.
    Fury has almost NOTHING on his record. He won the title against a 39 year old in a horrible performance - and went missing for almost 3 years and came back to fight Sefer Seferi, for ****s sake.